Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater than originally reported

Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by unlikelymordant on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @03:43AM (#23625213)

You can just look at the all cause excess deaths and see that the number of people that have died so far this year is much higher than previous years in New York. So whether you agree that person A died from covid or not, there were many more deaths due to something.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by barbasosi on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @06:17AM (#23626221)

woah, i just looked up excess deaths in my city vs covid19 diagnosed deaths and it is freaking me out even more.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by jakeogh on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @03:49AM (#23625259)

What is the effect of fear? Cortisol spikes and avoiding going to the doctor for what would normally be a good reason need to be researched.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by occamrazor on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:31AM (#23625918)

Reduced access to healthcare, counterintuitively, reduces mortality in the short term, because it reduces complications from medical interventions.

On the medium and long term instead it increases mortality, as expected.

Moreover, lockdowns and social distancing also reduced flu deaths.

This means that the total number of deaths attributable ti Covid may in fact be higher than the excess mortality over the average of previous years, although it is difficult to quantity the difference.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by majewsky on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:31AM (#23625543)

That is something worth researching, but even then, it's still justifiable to count a death by fear as a death by pandemic, given that it wouldn't have happened without the pandemic.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by fastball on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:28AM (#23625901)

You can have a pandemic without fear though.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by vertex-four on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:45AM (#23626026)

Really? Has there ever been one? Or is the fear a natural human response to an invisible, omnipresent killer?

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by fastball on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @06:57AM (#23626478)

Well, I guess I should say you can have a pandemic without a fear-mongering news media that significantly exacerbates it.

I personally am not "fearful" of COVID-19, as are many (most) people I know, so it is clearly possible for the general human.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by vertex-four on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:23AM (#23627045)

If you're not fearful and nor are most people you know, who are you claiming is fearful?

Personally, my behaviour patterns have changed. I'm more aware of when someone I don't know is near me. When I hear about the vulnerable people in my close community who suddenly have to navigate the world with significantly increased risk, I feel worried for them.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by fastball on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @10:03AM (#23627978)

I'm not claiming anyone is fearful?

I claimed you can have a pandemic without fear.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by pinkfoot on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:00AM (#23628586)

Its still caused by the virus. It counts.

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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by jakeogh on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:34PM (#23647850)

Not completely. Fear is very profitable, it makes people more pliable, people that are afraid are less rational. There are strong incentives to make people irrationally afraid.

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