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Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by notauser on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:25PM (#236306)
It's a real disaster that Adobe Reader sucks so much. PDF is a wonderful document format - other readers open it in seconds and it works on everything (including Linux, OS X and most phones). But thanks to Adobe if you ever send a PDF file to a windows user you get a five minute rant about how much PDF sucks and can you send it as a wonderful, efficient docx instead :/
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by markbao on Friday July 04, 2008 @02:48PM (#236419)
Yeah. PDF is awesome. Acrobat Reader isn't.
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by eru on Friday July 04, 2008 @02:00PM (#236378)
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/why-not-pdf.html

Synopsis: PS or PS.gz is even better than pdf.

Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by wmf on Friday July 04, 2008 @06:29PM (#236625)
Not for portability. Do most Windows users have PS viewers installed?
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by eru on Friday July 04, 2008 @06:50PM (#236634)
That's right. And that's why I did not write it as my own opinion. 'Social' reasons make pdf better in this regard.

I still prefer html for reading on-screen, though.

Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by newt0311 on Saturday July 05, 2008 @12:31AM (#236749)
I should point out that the article is incorrect. Namely, PDF is a complete superset of PS. Furthermore, it is capable of supporting non-printer specific properties like digital signatures and even external files and animation, none of which are supported by PS. (And before you say that animation is useless, imagine using PDF for presentations). Try reading the PDF 1.6 standard sometime (its dry like all standards but it gives a demonstration of what PDF is capable of).
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by mleonhard on Sunday July 06, 2008 @05:03AM (#237715)
Are you sure that PDF is a superset of PS? Which parts of PostScript are part of the Portable Document Format?
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by bayareaguy on Sunday July 06, 2008 @05:29AM (#237731)
I'm not familiar with the new stuff in PDF/PS but I'd say it probably depends on the specific versions. At the very least anything that adheres to EPS has always been part of PDF.
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by JesseAldridge on Friday July 04, 2008 @04:28PM (#236522)
And suddenly Stallman doesn't sound so crazy.
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by markbao on Friday July 04, 2008 @11:58AM (#236286)
Mac OS X Leopard users:

[spacebar]

Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by saurabh on Friday July 04, 2008 @02:27PM (#236402)
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by peakok on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:29PM (#236309)
Don't forget to get Foxit reader if you don't have it yet : http://www.foxitsoftware.com/
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by markbao on Friday July 04, 2008 @02:48PM (#236418)
Woah, since when did Foxit Reader become not free?
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by pchivers on Friday July 04, 2008 @01:39PM (#236356)
Is it safe to get it for free through the TrialPay offer, or am I going to get spammed/abused for going this route?
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by prakash on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:47PM (#236321)
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by apu on Friday July 04, 2008 @05:39PM (#236586)
Are there any linux tools to mark-up/comment-on PDFs? I'm often forced to use the windows version of Acrobat to make and view edits on a document, because I haven't found any linux tools that will even display comments (let alone edit them).
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by jauco on Saturday July 05, 2008 @02:16AM (#236784)
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by dizz on Friday July 04, 2008 @02:45PM (#236414)
Mac: <Spacebar> or Preview or indeed Skim... slim and functional, thank you! :-)
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by lpgauth on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:01PM (#236289)
How can it possibly need 210 MB?
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by trajan on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:51PM (#236327)
There is a lot of support for niche features (3D, etc) pushed into the base reader because it provides a significant business advantage to Adobe.

For example, they stand to benefit tremendously if a government agency decides to go with PDF as their document review format over Autodesk's DWF. The fact that the average consumer already has everything they need to use these solutions is a big bullet point in their favor.

They don't stand to lose much if some picky internet folk (not criticizing - I'm one too) decide to use a free alternative because Acrobat's too heavy.

Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by bdotdub on Friday July 04, 2008 @03:31PM (#236468)
Why can't they allow you to add in these features if you want these features?

There's no reason why the users should be forced to install all these bloaty features.

Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by pmorici on Friday July 04, 2008 @01:11PM (#236344)
Funny you should say that... There are ads plastered al over the DC metro system for nothing but using Adobe PDF to simplify government forms.
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by wallflower on Friday July 04, 2008 @02:59PM (#236433)
At least Apple is up-front that you need Quicktime when installing iTunes, Adobe just installs the kitchen sink...
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by froo on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:10PM (#236295)
Umm, they needed more room to put in more backdoors?

Dunno really, I'm still trying to comprehend that myself.

Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by mullr on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:20PM (#236300)
Might be the recommended amount - it probably wants some space for a disk cache.
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by chaostheory on Friday July 04, 2008 @01:56PM (#236373)
on the bright side it's good news for AIR developers since AIR is part of this bundle
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by sant0sk1 on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:21PM (#236303)
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by st3fan on Friday July 04, 2008 @01:21PM (#236348)
What cracks me up is the ReadMe.html that is being installed next to the application. Do they have so little faith in their own PDF format that they decided to use an HTML file?
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by raganwald on Friday July 04, 2008 @04:01PM (#236498)
In all fairness, if the read me contains information about what to do when you can't get the application working...

It would be a huge WTF if the only way to find out why you can't read PDF files is locked inside a PDF file :-)

Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by lst on Friday July 04, 2008 @12:01PM (#236290)
Thinking of it: so PDF maybe stands for (Hidden) Proprietary Document Format?

(In the sense of: you will never ever be able to desire all of our features we are continuously adding to our Take-Over-The-World-Document-Format?)

I'm confused.

Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by nailer on Friday July 04, 2008 @10:19PM (#236712)
PDF is an open spec. Adobe's viewer sucking is a separate issue.
Re:Thank you, Adobe Reader 9 by lst on Saturday July 05, 2008 @04:23PM (#237253)
Do you know the whole story? PDF has not been created by users, but by a company.

Only now we have seen it changing into an ISO standard.

(Originally, Adobe only wanted to see it universally used to sell their PDF writers: please read for free, and please please pay for writing it. Only that it didn't happen this way.)