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Re:California sets Covid-19 daily record, Bay Area cumulativ... by colechristensen on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @07:40PM (#23621884)
Some places have made total eradication possible (e.g. New Zealand)

Most places just aren't being transparent. Wearing a mask has turned into a political or moral statement without being driven by a goal. Leaders aren't really selling any goals, though CDC / various health departments probably have goals, the technical details are not being communicated. Instead all you see is vague information and seemingly arbitrary action from leaders and virtue signaling from the population.

In Trump-led America, I think the goal is pretty obviously positive political outcomes for Trump. CDC and others might have goals but I haven't seen them.

Part of the problem is people are generally so stupid about failure that any goal setting sets you up to be a target for people angry about not meeting your goal or not setting an aggressive enough goal so being vague is seen as the best strategy, even though I think it leads to the sort of "fake news" vs "moral crusade" problem.

Re:California sets Covid-19 daily record, Bay Area cumulativ... by toast0 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:57PM (#23623063)
> Some places have made total eradication possible (e.g. New Zealand)

Eradication seems possible when there's a small number of cases, and effective border control (being an island nation helps a lot). In the US it's going to be difficult to eradicate, because people can move about the country easily and the case load is high.

I haven't looked at other states, but Washington state has fairly clear metrics for opening restrictions at a county level. We'll see how well that works, I guess. Other states will be doing their own thing, as well as other countries, and maybe we can figure out which methods are more or less effective and either switch or know for next time.