You can't tell people anything (2004)

Re:You can't tell people anything (2004) by Mirioron on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @07:25PM (#23621727)

I disagree. I think stories like this are important. They teach you to take a hypothetical scenario seriously. It teaches people to ask "what if X were true?" and to seriously consider the ramifications. This is a springboard into abstract thinking. Without people taking the hypothetical seriously they will want to deal with concrete things and will have trouble with abstract reasoning.

Imagine you were trying to have a discussion about racism with someone. You would tell them "How would you feel if one day you woke up black and people were biased against you due to your skin color?" They would tell you that it's the dumbest thing they've ever heard. Who have you ever known that woke up with a different skin color?[0] For someone to take an argument like this seriously they have to be willing to engage in a hypothetical scenario. Waking up with a different skin color is as fantastical as the stories you're talking about. This means that they won't engage with your hypothetical scenario.

[0] This is an argument made by James Flynn in his amazing TED talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpqilhW9uI

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Re:You can't tell people anything (2004) by watwut on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:08AM (#23624637)

I just dont think disney or superhero story do anything for understanding of racism or history or human relationships.

I mean, they are fun, but seriously.

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Re:You can't tell people anything (2004) by CathedralBorrow on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:17AM (#23626994)

Nothing wrong with that, I don't think there's a fixed list of "Learnable things" attached to any piece of content. It's mostly about the interpretation.

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Re:You can't tell people anything (2004) by qwertygnu on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:28AM (#23624103)

So if a kid doesn't watch enough superhero/disney/scifi movies they won't understand racism...?

I agree that stoking kids' (and adults') imagination is useful and has benefits. But it sounds like you're claiming they literally won't be able to conceptualize anything outside of reality without them.

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Re:You can't tell people anything (2004) by Mirioron on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:05AM (#23624620)

Why do you take this so literally? If you don't regularly run does that mean you're incapable of running? No, it doesn't. It means that you're not as good at running as you could be if you practiced more. The same applies to this.

If a kid is willing to take hypothetical scenarios seriously in a story I'd be willing to bet money they're more willing to take other hypotheticals seriously too. Moral reasoning tends to require hypothetical scenarios. If the other party isn't willing to engage in them then you can't make an argument based on them.

I'm simply saying that these stories help you take what if scenarios more seriously.

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Re:You can't tell people anything (2004) by CathedralBorrow on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:13AM (#23626965)

> So if a kid doesn't watch enough superhero/disney/scifi movies they won't understand racism...?

There is quite a massive distance between "You can take some lessons about racism from this content" and "If you do not consume this particular content you will not understand racism."

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