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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by vidarh on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @03:49PM (#23619312)
> If you actually watched the (heavily edited by the guardian) video, you would see the cop was calm and polite the entire duration.

I have seen it. I'm not denying the cop was calm. I called that out in my original comment.

But that does not change the point I made, that he keeps dismissing her obvious signs of distress as lies or indications of guilt, and in doing so demonstrates that he does not understand that people do have genuine reactions of fear to police.

By dismissing that fear and acting the way he is doing he is perpetrating that fear.

> Playing the race card in a country where there really is not systemic racism in the police force is disgusting.

Even Theresa May admits that the Met has issues with systemic racism, after a report commissioned by David Cameron revealed massive disparities in Met treatment by race.

To suggest there is not systemic racism in the police force is disgusting, when official reports as well as former top police officers have confirmed there is.

> You don't think her statement of "you're killing black people" is silly.

No, I think it is an expression of fear and panic, that whether or not that specific fear is justified should be sign to the police officer that they're escalating a situation there is no need to escalate.

I do find it deeply offensive that you keep mocking peoples fear response to this though.

Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by blub on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @04:13PM (#23619617)
If the officer was calm and professional I don't know what more you want from them.

It's not the job of the police to hold the hands of every paranoid individual and shush them back to a state of tranquility.

Is Theresa May some sort of authority on policing that her name keeps being mentioned here? As an external observer it seems that she was a complete failure at everything during her tenure, surely there's someone more appropriate that offered an opinion on this topic.

Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by vidarh on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @04:41PM (#23619960)
> If the officer was calm and professional I don't know what more you want from them.

I said calm, not professional. I consider his failure to notice her distress and panic to make him totally unsuited to work with the public in pretty much any capacity. It was blatantly obvious that she was in distress. Had he seen someone acting like that towards someone not a police officer, he'd have run to assist in what would have seemed like a dangerous situation on the basis of her reaction.

He was blinded by a failure to understand that someone could react with that kind of fear to the police, and as a result proceeded to completely counter-productively escalate a situation that need not have been escalated at all.

> It's not the job of the police to hold the hands of every paranoid individual and shush them back to a state of tranquility.

A large part of the job of the police is to deal with people in distress; often with mental health issues. If they are unable to deal with people in distress with empathy they're not suitable to do the job.

> Is Theresa May some sort of authority on policing that her name keeps being mentioned here? As an external observer it seems that she was a complete failure at everything during her tenure, surely there's someone more appropriate that offered an opinion on this topic.

The point is that even she accepted the report that Cameron commissioned that demonstrated extensive systemic racism in the Met, despite the reluctance of her party to deal with racism in general. Someone else posted a bunch of links about systemic racism in the UK. At this point it is willful ignorance to suggest this isn't a real problem.

Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by blub on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:43AM (#23624485)
You already had a huge scandal in the UK with the police being afraid to break pedophile rings in several cities because they thought they'd be accused of racism. Condemning them for being calm, but not impossibly professional while dealing with paranoid people will surely motivate them even more and ensure maximum efficiency. Comparing them in a critical way with the US police which is regularly killing people likewise.

And if anyone arguing against the approach you support is apparently ignorant or provoking your disgust, I think I'd rather let you focus on fighting this good fight and dealing with its Brexit consequence.

Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by freeopinion on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @05:06PM (#23620280)
> It's not the job of the police to hold the hands of every paranoid individual and shush them back to a state of tranquility.

Umm... It kinda should be. yeah. It certainly shouldn't be their job to shoot those people, or tackle those people, or manhandle those people.

Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by lenkite on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:35PM (#23630165)
They will need to be trained and paid far higher then!
Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by freeopinion on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:52PM (#23634290)
Are you arguing that it is cheaper to just kill or beat people than to comfort them?
Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by vertex-four on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @08:25PM (#23622306)
In the UK, if you call the emergency services and tell them you believe someone is likely to commit suicide, there's a good chance the police will turn up at their door. The police have a dual role, ridiculous as it is - they are meant to both be community workers capable of handling a wide variety of people and situations, and investigate crime, sometimes at the same time.
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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by vidarh on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @05:11PM (#23620343)
If that is textbook police work, then the textbook is a piece of crap and needs replacing, because you can see from the start how he is failing to pick up the fact that he is triggering escalation step by step for no good reason.

If you find it offensive that some people actually expect the police to treat people with empathy and understand they may be dealing with scared and panicked people or people with mental health issues, then I have no sympathy whatsoever.

The police exists to serve, not to scare innocent people into staying home - at the moment that happens, the police has become the problem and needs to be dismantled.