My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by trowawee on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:30PM (#23616231)

It is completely irrelevant. It's like responding to "It's raining today" with "It was sunny last week". At best, it's a non-sequitur, at worst it's an active attempt to distract from the conversation at hand. And it ignores the facts that A) black-on-black crime does not happen at a substantially higher rate than white-on-white crime, B) the explanation for why most crime is intra-racial in a segregated country is pretty straightforwardly obvious, and C) Black people actually are attacked and killed by police at wildly disproportionate rates, which is why the subject of police violence against Black people is a valid topic of conversation, whereas "black-on-black crime" is a pointless or hostile digression.

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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:49PM (#23616516)

> It is completely irrelevant

It's irrelevant to the real issue, but not to the upthread claim that blacks view police as the greatest threat. In the latter context, it is not irrelevant to point out that such a view does not seem to be in line with the evidence.

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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by uoaei on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:57PM (#23616661)

"Blacks view police as the biggest threat" seems to be perfectly in line with what Black people are and have been saying for decades if not centuries.

If only folks would listen to Black voices, they wouldn't be gumming up the conversation with irrelevance.

White on white crime is also much more prevalent than crime across racial boundaries. A priori you are much more likely to be a victim of crime by someone you know or in your immediate community. Because America is so segregated still, the conclusion follows pretty immediately.

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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by shadowgovt on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:42PM (#23617431)

It's in line with what people have been saying, but as parent observed, it's not in line with risks. But this is nothing new for people in general; we spend way more newspaper inches worrying about terrorism (which kills a fraction of people) than traffic fatalities (which is 8th leading cause of death globally).

This is, of course, as true as it is irrelevant. Because police can be 1/7th as likely to kill black people as non-police, and that's still far, far too many and a completely different category of murder (because the murderers are rarely punished, and are protected by the power of the state). Even if cops were 1/70th as likely to be the murderer of a black person, it's too many.

Some kinds of death are both avoidable and morally reprehensible for a society to allow or condone.

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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by uoaei on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:50PM (#23617557)

Agreed, the comparison between who kills black folks is irrelevant. The comparison that is relevant here is who police officers kill.

This page is a good summary of the relevant statistics: https://beehivemedia.com/dataviz/when_police_kill_in_black_a...

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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by specialist on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @05:10PM (#23620323)

Sure. You're correct. But it's such a frequently deployed concern troll that it's challenging to assume good intent. Like many, pjc50 is just trying to articulate, organize some thoughts on a very tough topic. Does every. single. statement. have. to. be. pendanted. and. relitigated. every. with. the. same. tired. talking. points. every. single. time?

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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by eloff on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:05PM (#23617781)

You completely missed the point. It's relevant to this thread that blacks should fear the police more than criminal violence. Well sorry, that's not born out by the statistics, so it's an irrational belief.

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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by jakelazaroff on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:24PM (#23618084)

You are saying "violence", but the statistics cited in this thread are myopically focused on murder. Non–lethal violence, racial profiling, disproportionate sentencing, etc, are all forms of physical and judicial violence that might justify Black people fearing the police more than criminals.

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Re:My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how ... by eloff on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @03:47PM (#23619289)

I don't think that's justified, until I see data to the contrary.

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