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Re:Paul Graham spills: Why some companies get his cash and o... by nkassis on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @01:46PM (#2360441)
Well I think there is a major difference, you can be a perpetual grad student but get good stuff done. Usually you end up as a post doc for a while but never get a real prof position for whatever political reason. I know a lot of good grad student that are in school after almost a decade (in grad school).

So the ineffectual part is a major difference.

There also people like me, sticking around universities for a while, using public funds to code cool projects that wouldn't happen anywhere else because it's not something that would be commercializable. I wouldn't call myself ineffectual ;)

Re:Paul Graham spills: Why some companies get his cash and o... by scott_s on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @02:11PM (#2360545)
I don't think there is a semantic difference, since I would probably transcribe what pg said he said as "ineffectual, perpetual grad student." Note the comma, which implies an "and" relationship between adjectives.
Re:Paul Graham spills: Why some companies get his cash and o... by randallsquared on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @01:57PM (#2360477)
I believe gparent was pointing out that the phrase "ineffectual and perpetual grad student", nuance aside, literally means the same thing as "ineffectual perpetual grad student".
Re:Paul Graham spills: Why some companies get his cash and o... by jeromec on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @02:11PM (#2360546)
In my mind inserting the 'and' separates the 'ineffectual' and 'perpetual' so it appears the person being described could be a perpetual grad student as an independent idea -- but maybe they just love school life, so it's not really anything negative. Leaving the 'and' out, however, implies to me the person is probably a perpetual grad student because of being ineffectual.
Re:Paul Graham spills: Why some companies get his cash and o... by nkassis on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @02:52PM (#2360735)
Exactly what I'm thinking. If you remove the and there are two interpretations ( blame english for this). both ineffectual and perpetual or just perpetual or just ineffectual.
Re:Paul Graham spills: Why some companies get his cash and o... by jeromec on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @03:18PM (#2360891)
Yes, unfortunately no language is an optimum form of communication, so we rely on other cues (often body language when available) to try to determine what an author/speaker really means to convey. Word choice does play a role in that, which is why I think pg (or anybody) would prefer to be quoted correctly :)