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Re:The Waypoint NDA by walrus01 on Monday June 22, 2020 @01:05AM (#23597446)
> The Waypoint NDA differs from other NDAs only in how it protects everyone from having to read it over and over again.

that's a full stop, right there. If you take NDAs and contracts seriously you need to read and comprehend the whole thing, no matter how boilerplate it appears from skimming the first few paragraphs.

Re:The Waypoint NDA by kemitchell on Monday June 22, 2020 @01:57AM (#23597611)
You should absolutely read the Waypoint NDA. There is no substitute for reading legal terms.

But once you have read Waypoint, there is no reason to read the same terms, or functionally the same terms, every time you want to do the same deal. That is the waste Waypoint avoids.

Re:The Waypoint NDA by Bjartr on Monday June 22, 2020 @10:31AM (#23600584)
> functionally the same terms

I think his point was that the only way to properly come to a conclusion around "functional sameness" is reading it again.

Re:The Waypoint NDA by excitedleigh on Monday June 22, 2020 @01:12AM (#23597465)
The literal very next sentence after the one you've quoted addresses that:

> Every copy of The Waypoint NDA comes with a certificate from the side proposing it, guaranteeing that the terms are exactly the same as those published on this site.

Re:The Waypoint NDA by walrus01 on Monday June 22, 2020 @01:17AM (#23597479)
I see nothing on the webpage about public or private PKI signing of a certificate. This certificate is what, an image or a scanned raster pdf file of ink signatures or something, promising they haven't modified the document?

I don't see how that is any sort of improvement over the standard 2-3 page sized NDAs I use already on a regular basis.

Re:The Waypoint NDA by Reelin on Monday June 22, 2020 @01:33AM (#23597528)
PKI signatures aren't (legally) necessary, just a binding statement that what they are presenting to you is a certain version of the contract and hasn't been modified. Lying and modifying it would then be a serious misrepresentation that I don't think they could get away with.

I think the idea is similar to OSI certified licenses. You only have to read (for example) the LGPLv3 license a single time regardless of how many of your dependencies use it.

Re:The Waypoint NDA by ponker on Monday June 22, 2020 @02:53AM (#23597871)
It doesn’t matter. If they affirm that “this is not modified” and it is modified, the court will tell them to get fucked and will likely cancel out terms to be maximally disadvantageous to the bad actor.
Re:The Waypoint NDA by kemitchell on Monday June 22, 2020 @02:05AM (#23597644)
The certificate is an actual certificate. Not a cryptographic metaphorical certificate.

Have a look at the form itself, at least the first page.

Re:The Waypoint NDA by dogma1138 on Monday June 22, 2020 @06:25AM (#23598773)
It doesn’t have to be a physical certificate it can just be a sentence that states “waypoint NDA version X” in any medium.

It works in the same way as licenses work you don’t actually have to attach a full copy of a GPL license for example or even your own license terms you need to just specify what license are you using and where it can be obtained.

Re:The Waypoint NDA by icedchai on Monday June 22, 2020 @12:40PM (#23602263)
You'd be surprised how many people don't. I've had arguments about things that we were supposedly contractually obligated to perform. I ask, "where does it say this in the contract? It's not there." I'm told I must be wrong. (I'm not.) Mad page flipping through the PDF follows. Ultimately, I am proven correct. We are, indeed, not obligated to do a thing...
Re:The Waypoint NDA by lalaithion on Monday June 22, 2020 @11:48AM (#23601525)
I'm not a lawyer. If someone wants me to sign an NDA, I have to read it, sure, but I also have to hope that they haven't snuck something in that I won't understand but will screw me over later. The Waypoint NDA prevents me from having to hire a lawyer to make sure their NDA isn't hiding something; all I have to do is a word for word diff.