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Re:How We Got Owned by a Few Teenagers (and Why It Will Neve... by parfe on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @12:46AM (#2358056)
I promised myself I'd avoid another analogy but...

If I give the bank my money and the next day I get an email saying "Sorry, we didn't feel like locking up last night and some kids looted the vault." I'd have a hard time calling the bank the victim.

And something concrete: PHPFog knew the holes existed and were negligent. I would say they even have some contributory negligence (IANAL). Especially after admitting they knew they were vulnerable.

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Re:How We Got Owned by a Few Teenagers (and Why It Will Neve... by tptacek on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @12:57AM (#2358087)
You know what we call kids who loot bank vaults? Bank robbers.
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Re:How We Got Owned by a Few Teenagers (and Why It Will Neve... by parfe on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @12:59AM (#2358094)
No, we call them juvenile delinquents and treat them like children.

And we certainly don't call the bank the victim.

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Re:How We Got Owned by a Few Teenagers (and Why It Will Neve... by nbpoole on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @01:21AM (#2358150)
1. We don't treat them like adult criminals (necessarily), but we certainly treat them like criminals. Here are some examples (some harsher than others):

Bank robber, 13, could get 21 years in US jail (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.cb17379375828ffc...)

Teen bank robber to be held for two years (http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2011/02/18/news/doc4d...)

Boy, 15, Charged in Armed Bank Robbery in Lancaster (http://articles.latimes.com/2002/aug/09/local/me-bankrob9)

2. Why do you think banks aren't considered victims in cases of robbery? Because they could have done more to prevent the robbery from happening?

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Re:How We Got Owned by a Few Teenagers (and Why It Will Neve... by parfe on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @01:28AM (#2358176)
You're conflating armed robbery, a violent crime, with hacking a web site? That's the end of this thread.
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Re:How We Got Owned by a Few Teenagers (and Why It Will Neve... by jasonlotito on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @06:04AM (#2358765)
Dude, you started the metaphor with tour comment. Can't exactly blame someone for calling you out on it.
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Re:How We Got Owned by a Few Teenagers (and Why It Will Neve... by jammur on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @02:33AM (#2358331)
Banks are absolutely considered victims, but if the victim didn't do their due diligence with respect to keeping their vault secure, then they absolutely share in the blame.
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Re:How We Got Owned by a Few Teenagers (and Why It Will Neve... by jammur on Wednesday March 23, 2011 @02:31AM (#2358324)
You know what we call banks who leave their vaults unsecured? Neither do I, but it's certainly not 'blameless'.
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