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Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by chrisco255 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:13PM (#23576568)
I'm not saying the answer is to break them up, but clearly as was shown with Microsoft in the 90s, they could be forced to allow competition on their devices, like Microsoft had to allow for different search engines on their browsers and different default browsers. Apple could be forced to allow alternative app stores or to stop dragging their feet on PWA features or any other number of reasonable regulations like that.
Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by objclxt on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:31PM (#23576813)
> but clearly as was shown with Microsoft in the 90s, they could be forced to allow competition on their devices

But as the parent comment you're replying to said, the situations aren't comparable.

Microsoft had over 90% of the market in the 90s. You could not stop using Windows, because there was simply no credible alternative for most consumers. That's not true for iOS.

If Microsoft at the time had, say, 50% of the market the outcome would likely have been extremely different.

Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by YayamiOmate on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:48PM (#23576985)
It depends how you define market. Apple has control over 100% of ios apps.

I doubt ms had 90% of consumer electronics market or even os.

Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by evilduck on Friday June 19, 2020 @03:21PM (#23577977)
Walmart has 100% monopoly over their store space. Verizon has 100% monopoly over what can connect to their network. Google has a monopoly over the Play Store. Cows have a monopoly over milk production. At which point does this argument stop working?

> I doubt ms had 90% of consumer electronics market or even os.

You should probably look that up then, instead of "doubting": https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-f...

Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by sepiatone on Friday June 19, 2020 @04:00PM (#23578328)
Yes, but Walmart cannot stop another supermarket from opening in the same area, Verizon cannot stop you from bringing another phone to their network. Android allows other stores. Cows? Oh wait, you've got me there.
Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by evilduck on Friday June 19, 2020 @04:47PM (#23578718)
You sure about that? Small town businesses have lamented Walmart moving in for ages, Verizon can _absolutely_ prevent another phone from joining their network, they even charge activation fees on top of it all. And Android _is_ the alternative store if you don't like shopping on iOS, and the monopoly holder to boot. I can't run .ipa files on Android either, why can't we sue Google for not supporting that SDK, since they're a smartphone OS monopoly holder?
Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by LordDragonfang on Friday June 19, 2020 @10:27PM (#23580992)
While I agree with everything you're saying, Google's android literally allows you to install third party app stores and even sideload apps. Google does not behave at all like Apple in that regard.
Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by evilduck on Friday June 19, 2020 @11:57PM (#23581513)
Sure, but how does that make Apple a monopoly abuser without broadening the definition to the point of it being applicable to damn near everything?
Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by foolmeonce on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:39PM (#23576901)
Who is going to do all the work of fighting a Trust when they drag their feet using legal grey area or random excuses?

Government worked out the correct action a long time ago. When you see a trust, you destroy it, when you still get collusion between the separate companies that is manageable since collusion has prisoners dilemmas.

Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by scarface74 on Friday June 19, 2020 @03:39PM (#23578135)
Microsoft was never required to allow multiple search engines. Nor were they required to allow other default browsers in the US.

I’m sure the government has to technical wherewithal to make sure that Apple is compliant with browser standards....

Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by scarface74 on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:21PM (#23579891)
Care to quote the part where the US government forced the browser choice screen like the EU did?
Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by chrisco255 on Saturday June 20, 2020 @04:14AM (#23582577)
Did I ever explicitly say the US in my comment? No. However, the entire case against Microsoft was built on its anticompetitive practices against Netscape. And Microsoft lost.

In the US, "The proposed settlement required Microsoft to share its application programming interfaces with third-party companies and appoint a panel of three people who would have full access to Microsoft's systems, records, and source code for five years in order to ensure compliance."

By having full access to the API, MS could no longer give IE special privileges (for example, being the only default browser choice when a link is clicked to be opened). At any rate, it's not a stretch to imagine similar movements towards Apple's app store. The parallels are quite similar.

Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by scarface74 on Saturday June 20, 2020 @07:30AM (#23583333)
I specifically said in the comment that you replied to “Nor were they required to allow other default browsers in the US.”

The parallels aren’t similar. Apple has less than 50% market share in the US and even less in Europe. Every console maker does the same as Apple.

Re:Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them by chrisco255 on Saturday June 20, 2020 @08:06PM (#23588537)
There is no percentage-based threshold for antitrust. Price fixing, anticompetitive activities, cornering markets, etc can all trigger antitrust violations. Mobile computing is a far more important and mission critical foundation of modern life than video gaming. This is why there's a big push for net neutrality. The Federal government has all the authority it needs to regulate Apple if they decide it's worth doing. I support reigning in big tech.