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Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by realtalk_sp on Thursday June 18, 2020 @09:43PM (#23570179)
The fact that Apple is scrubbing text communications and discussing certain sensitive things with developers only over the phone is supremely shady. Deleting old communications is a classic tactic employed by organizations that anticipate lawsuits and associated discovery. It's amazing that they've formulated a comprehensive set of internal business practices directed at sustaining this racket.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by 14 on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:13AM (#23570899)
In Canada the law states that one person in the conversation must agree to the recording which means if you want to record yourself it is perfectly legal and no need to tell the other person you are recording. So if they did this to a Canadian developer they could record them without asking or letting Apple know.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by praptak on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:23AM (#23570956)
> Deleting old communications is a classic tactic employed by organizations that anticipate lawsuits and associated discovery.

Every sufficiently big organisation starts doing it soon after the first bogus lawsuit that costs them millions of dollars.

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by paulryanrogers on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:34AM (#23570991)
As a trillion dollar company with hundreds of billions in the bank we can expect more from them. And if the legal system has perverse incentives that should be fixed through reform, not apathy.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by praptak on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:41AM (#23571031)
I don't think that any reform of the legal system can get rid of people whose business model is litigation. You can't get rid of legal trolls without denying justice to actual victims of corporate wrongdoing.

Also, I would be extremely suspicious of any reform of the legal system coming from megacorps.

This is not to say the system cannot be improved, it's just wicked hard and you cannot blame any single actor for not doing that.

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by pedrorijo91 on Friday June 19, 2020 @05:47AM (#23572818)
maybe it's time for ios developers to (temporary) remove their apps from the App Store as a protest?

Taking 30% without providing alternatives to install apps seems totally unfair

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by bibbitybobbity on Friday June 19, 2020 @10:44AM (#23575006)
Pointing out that this happens specifically when companies maximizes for prioritizes profit instead of the benefit of their product (which was what allowed them to gain such traction).

It does feel prevalent in large corporations though.

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by grumple on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:42AM (#23573361)
It’s not bogus if they lost the lawsuit.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by fierarul on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:24AM (#23571585)
I can confirm the only phone call I got from Apple was to explain why they can't accept my app.

It was a small display test app / game which apparently is not allowed as the users might start thinking they have a defective product (and perhaps ask for a refund / replacement).

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by giancarlostoro on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:29PM (#23570659)
Force Apple to communicate via email or other comms out of their control.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by statictype on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:08AM (#23570876)
I had a long argument with Apple Support over their refusal to replace my shitty Macbook keyboard under their warranty program.

Finally I asked them to give me their rejection in a formal email.

Two days later the support person called back and said they made 'an exception' in my case and are happy to fix it under warranty.

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by verall on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:20AM (#23570936)
In this case it is because you need that rejection email in writing to go file a claim with your credit card and trigger your purchase protection. As soon as Apple (or whoever) thinks you will take this route, they are happy to limit their losses and replace it before you can file a claim that could result in chargeback.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by _rs on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:00AM (#23571120)
Would credit card extended warranties and protection result in a charge back? I thought the credit card companies paid these out as benefits, and usually reserved for cards with annual fees.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by zaksoup on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:07AM (#23571157)
There's two routes you could go down - file a warranty claim on a higher-end card that provides extended warranties.

Cards usually also allow you to request a chargeback against defective goods for which a merchant refuses to make you whole. In this case you could probably call up Amex or whatever and say "I bought a laptop that is defective within the warranty period and apple refuses to RMA it, here's the proof..." and they'd do it no questions asked.

I've done both of these things with Amex and Chase and it's usually a painless process for each. With the chargeback route, however, it's common for companies to retaliate by closing your accounts or otherwise refusing you service until you reverse the chargeback. If you actually tried to chargeback the macbook I wouldn't be surprised if you found yourself with a "your iCloud account will be closed in 30 days" email. When I charged back a local CSA for refusing to cancel my subscription without an onerous phone tree despite multiple emails I received a voicemail saying, very politely, "Your account is now closed but you will be banned from ever opening a new account with us in the future."

Fine by me...

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by dannyw on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:36AM (#23571319)
Australian here, in my card chargeback form there’s literally an option for “The good I received is defective and the seller has declined to remedy”.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by geoka9 on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:11PM (#23575869)
CSA == Canadian Soccer Association?
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by zaksoup on Sunday June 21, 2020 @10:04PM (#23596849)
Community Supported Agriculture. Farm shares, basically. Pay a fixed amount/week for a weekly allotment of whatever is seasonally being harvested by a local farm. Usually at better prices than local grocery stores and you support local farmers and ag.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by ValentineC on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:40AM (#23573354)
> In this case it is because you need that rejection email in writing to go file a claim with your credit card and trigger your purchase protection.

If it's a case of extended warranty, wouldn't the card company just require an official repair quote?

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by verall on Friday June 19, 2020 @08:13AM (#23573628)
It sounded more like return/warranty protection - this merchant isn't honoring my return/warranty vs extended warranty protection which is slightly different.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by whycombagator on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:30PM (#23570664)
How are you going to force Apple to do that?
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by giancarlostoro on Friday June 19, 2020 @04:09PM (#23578402)
You telling them your preferred medium of communication would be one way. See a sibling comment for the result of that alone in some situations.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by cheez on Thursday June 18, 2020 @10:03PM (#23570278)
their lawyers ain't cheap.