Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by birdyrooster on Thursday June 18, 2020 @02:41PM
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Why do people bother with antifa moniker anyways? Is one syllable worth the loss in clarity that would come from having your opposition be forced to speak the word anti-fascist? To rule out willful ignorance of the public to discount "antifa" (strangely pronounced with the accent on the i, undermining the reception of the "anti" prefix) as some foreign set of concepts when in reality it is the basis of this nation.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by bobdole12345 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @03:06PM
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It's because saying you're anti-anti-fascist would make you sound like an asshole.
This lets them pretend they're talking about something different, but all the dogs hear the whistle.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by reducesuffering on Thursday June 18, 2020 @03:58PM
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Naming is irrelevant. You can make a group named anti-evil do anything. They would say "Are you anti-anti-evil? Are you for evil? What is wrong with you?"
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by smaddox on Thursday June 18, 2020 @03:26PM
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Until reading your comment, I didn't know that was what Antifa was short for. That's probably why they don't use the full name.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by QuercusMax on Thursday June 18, 2020 @03:32PM
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And it's certainly not "far left". Being against Nazis and other Fascists seems like a pretty middle of the road idea.
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by blumomo on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:23PM
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Don’t get mistaken by their name. I’m a German, and here in Germany people who identify with Antifa call for and execute physical attacks on other people. People of this ideology have hate in their heart. They even hate democracy. They are beating up people who peacefully demonstrate for maintaining our democracies. Would you have guessed by their name that Antifa was that brutal?
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by downerending on Thursday June 18, 2020 @03:55PM
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Essentially everyone is against Nazis/etc. Antifa has rather different goals--otherwise we'd just call them people.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by iron0013 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @04:01PM
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“Essentially everyone is against Nazis/etc.“ I used to think that, too, but I think the last few years have made it clear that there are still plenty of “Nazis/etc” out there—certainly enough of them that the rest of us should be concerned.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by newfriend on Thursday June 18, 2020 @04:25PM
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Unfortunately normal folks may begin to appear as "Nazis" when you have been sufficiently radicalized. Very little has effectively changed in the past few years, aside from the extreme polarization of the media.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by iron0013 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:03PM
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Unfortunately Nazis may also appear to be “normal folks“ if you have been sufficiently radicalized.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by wiml on Thursday June 18, 2020 @04:18PM
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Antifa originated in 1930s Germany … where, obviously, plenty of people were not against Nazis or fascists.
Antifa today is still pretty firmly focused on anti-fascist action.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by downerending on Thursday June 18, 2020 @09:17PM
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I thought you were going to link them to the brownshirts. Certainly they seem similar in many regards. I can't think of anything good to say about someone who thinks vigilante violence is a noble act.
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by torstenvl on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:23AM
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Are you claiming they're descended from the Reichsbanner? Do you have a source for that?
Re:Facebook takes down Trump ads 'for violating our policy a...
by wiml on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:13AM
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No, I mean the label Antifaschistische Aktion and its abbreviation Antifa literally originated with labor groups opposing the rise of Hitler and the Nazi Party.
I'm not a historian, but understanding is that there isn't real continuity between that antifa (labor and communist anti-Nazi groups) and the modern antifa (the punk-direct-action-aesthetic antifa), which came about much later in the century, but that the name and association was adopted intentionally.
So are we just accepting this now? It’s not a group, at best it’s an ideology.