The privacy policy for 8.8.8.8 is actually really good: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy I wish more google products were so explicit in what they log and for what purposes.

(Disclosure: I work for Google)

Not related to this thread: Do you have any way to communicate with actual humans inside of Google who can do anything? There are demonstrable issues with 8.8.8.8, yet I cannot get anything but the occasional form response from every address I've tried.

If you wanted to describe what was wrong, in a way that I can reproduce it, I could file a bug, yeah

Complaining about a reproducible issue on a public forum works. Even if you don't get direct feedback, there's a good chance it will get quickly forwarded to an teams' internal mailing list.

A lot of google engineers read hacker news comments, reddit threads, etc. all the time, and generally try and route good feedback where it belongs.

Could you point what you believe to be the issues in the thread?

And then it's a shitty trade, because your ISP still can track you without much difficulty.

Not just track you, some ISPs will simply redirect all UDP port 53 DNS packets to their own DNS anyway.

Which ISP?

People arguing against DNS over HTTPS claim stuff the doesn't happen so it'd be good to have definite examples.

The best argument I've heard about DoH (at least Firefox's forced implementation) is that it turns a distributed collection problem for the bad guys with guns into one-stop shopping for the bad guys with guns.

I know until recently Sky broadband was doing this.