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Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by mauvehaus on Thursday June 18, 2020 @09:59AM (#23563160)
Couple of book recommendations if you find mountaineering and its associated safety culture interesting:

Forever on the Mountain is a pretty in-depth reporting of a spectacularly deadly mountaineering disaster on Denali (or McKinley), which Ed Viesturs has climbed ~200 times per the article. I know it's easy to say with the benefit of knowing how it ends, but you can just watch the mistakes pile up.

From TFA:

"These high-altitude mountains are one of the few places on the planet where there is literally no help. If you screw up and break a leg, it’s up to your partner to get you down."

Touching the Void recounts an accident in which this was exactly the case. The author broke his leg on the way down at altitude, and things got (much) worse from there. Spoiler alert, he survived to write the book. Pick a time when you can finish it in one sitting. Once you get about 1/3 of the way in, you likely won't be able to put it down.

Everest the Hard Way is a telling of a successful Everest expedition, but provides a good look into the planning and decision making that makes that happen.

Deep Survival is also worth a read. It doesn't focus exclusively on mountaineering, but as I recall, some of the case-studies are mountaineering. Sorry, it's been a while.

Into Thin Air, from which the article riffs on the title, covers the 1996 Everest disaster. It's been even longer since I read that, but it's worth a read.

I'd be interested in a book recommendation if anybody has one that talks about how safety culture is spread. I'm a rock climber (as distinct from mountaineering), and one of the things I observe is that the safety culture in the sport sucks [0], [1]. I'd be curious what the climbing community can do to better spread or develop a safety culture within the rapidly growing sport, especially as fewer people are being brought in by experienced mentors and are instead getting into it via rock gyms.

My admittedly outside understanding is that mountaineering has a much more developed and widespread safety culture, perhaps because the barriers to entry almost require getting into the sport via a mentor.

[0] I saw somebody (top rope) belaying outside while lying in a hammock. This was on a single pitch route with ample space to stand. Even if you have to be anchored, there's just no reason to impede your hand and arm mobility like that.

[1] A representative for a major gear manufacturer (if you climb, you've heard of them) was explaining a new safety feature on a new model of their belay device. He was telling me about it and started giving an example of where it would be valuable by saying something along the lines of "suppose you were climbing and your belayer didn't know what they were doing".

It's telling and disappointing that a major gear manufacturer seems to have accepted that the safety culture in the sport has allowed this scenario to be plausible and/or common.

Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by ianmunoz on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:51AM (#23564239)
Other great mountaineering books: Annapurna (already mentioned) -Herzog All of Ed Viesturs books are great The Summit - Pemba Gyaljie Dark Summit - Nick Heil Conquistadors of the Useless - Terray Eiger Dreams - Krakauer Denali's Howl - Hall
Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by rlander on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:28PM (#23564715)
I’m just finishing Eiger Dreams, what a great book! I wish Krakauer would write more recent mountaineering books.
Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by gokhan on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:51PM (#23564981)
"No Shortcuts to the Top: Climbing the World's 14 Highest Peaks" by Ed Viesturs and David Roberts tells the whole career of Viesturs and a great account of his way of handling safety on the mountain. My whole family loved it, great book. Full of lessons that can be applied to life in general.

"An Astronaut's Guide to Life on Earth" by Chris Hadfield is a similar book in terms of applicable lessons to life, work ethic, relationships with peers and overall being a good human being. The part about the concept of aiming to be a zero is a marvelous read, for example.

I'd love to hear suggestions for similar books.

Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by isaachawley on Thursday June 18, 2020 @10:07AM (#23563226)
Annapurna - Maurice Herzog. One of my favorites.

Rock climbing: I was very happy about all the coverage around the Dawn Wall project, with Caldwell and Jorgeson. A big part of that climb was finding ways to do it safely, protected all the way. Great contrast with all the free solo hype that had gotten so much coverage before.

One of the worst experiences of my life was trying to spot and move pads around for a buddy trying to climb a super-highball in the Buttermilks. Horrifying. I didn't want to help but nobody else was around.

Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by liversage on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:06AM (#23563736)
When I read Annapurna: First Conquest of an 8000-meter Peak many years ago I was blown away by the story which was both a huge victory in that era of mountaineering but also a personal tragedy for Herzog. This book together with Touching the Void and Eiger Dreams by Jon Krakauer are very captivating books even if you are not so much into mountaineering.

However, I have later read True Summit: What Really Happened on the Legendary Ascent of Annapurna by David Roberts which provides a different perspective on the Annapurna expedition.

And to reply to the grandparent post: Joe Simpson has written a number of books and while they are not specifically about safety culture they often touch on the ethics and dilemmas of high altitude climbing just as Touching the Void did by telling a story where the rope was cut.

Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by isaachawley on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:34AM (#23564033)
Interesting! Would you compare Roberts' book with Boukreev's response to Into Thin Air, The Climb?
Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by liversage on Thursday June 18, 2020 @02:04PM (#23565791)
Honestly, it's many years since I read these books so my memory is a bit hazy, but from what I remember Boukreev's book was a response to what he saw as Krakauer's criticism of his actions as a climbing leader during the fatal 1996 Everest disaster.

Roberts is more like a historian with the perspective that Herzog perhaps wasn't so heroic after all but instead, despite poor leadership and reckless decision-making, was saved by his companions that were the true unsung heroes of the expedition.

The first book is a rebuttal, the second is trying to reveal what really happened many years ago.

Re:Into Thin Error: Mountaineer Ed Viesturs on Making Mistak... by mauvehaus on Thursday June 18, 2020 @01:22PM (#23565322)
Oh man, my thoughts on Free Solo are multiple and conflicted and I would love to discuss it! Unfortunately, I should get some actual work done today :-(

Thank you for the recommendation.