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Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by PopeDotNinja on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @11:48AM (#23552802)
My accounting professor used to say the mirrors and security cameras in stores were to monitor the employees more than the customers.
Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by mc32 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @11:55AM (#23552875)
That only would make sense if they don’t have cameras in the stock room and loading docks, etc.
Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by csharptwdec19 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:05PM (#23552975)
I've worked at more than one location where the Cameras in customer areas were conspicuous but the cameras in the employee area were hidden.
Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by dspillett on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:10PM (#23553053)
Most thefts by customers are more opportunistic, the visible cameras have much more effect on that. Staff theft tends to be more pre-planned when it happens, so they'll work around the cameras if they easily know what they can see. Same for break-ins to employee-only areas (warehouse etc.).

The threat model in the two areas is a bit different, so different tactics are used. It doesn't mean that some people are trusted more than others, just that as groups they behave differently.

Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by mc32 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:10PM (#23553050)
Sure but stock room knows the security people and if the manager is causing shrinkage then the staff might also follow “the lead”.
Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by 77pt77 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:21PM (#23553198)
> but the cameras in the employee area were hidden.

Is this legal?

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by tialaramex on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:18PM (#23553978)
In the UK at least, if you believe that crimes are occurring (e.g. stock discrepancies suggest employees are stealing) you can get permission from your local police to use hidden cameras.

With that prior police authorisation it's legal to record more or less anywhere without those recorded knowing.

The police knowing you were authorised means when Sandra finds a camera in the employee locker room and freaks out, the cops who attend can verify that yes, Sandra's manager's boss got that OK'd two weeks ago when six £700 graphics cards "vanished" versus no this is some camera planted by an unknown creep and if the cops figure out who it was they'll be arrested.

If the "unknown creep" turns out to be the boss, the existence of this authorisation mechanism means they have no excuse - if they'd asked "Hey, can I secretly film my employees to get evidence of theft?" the answer would be "First, go to a police station to get guidance" not "Sure, act exactly like a pervert and just hide a camera".

Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by thomasjudge on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:04PM (#23553787)
What law would you think is being broken here? I don't think they are talking about bathrooms, where one might argue there is a "reasonable expectation of privacy." If you are working for an employer on their premises I think they have a right to do monitoring including clandestine. Just like they can monitor anything you do on their computer
Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by 77pt77 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @03:08PM (#23555423)
I know several jurisdictions where recording employees place of work is illegal.

Like you can record corridors and such, but you can't record him programming at his desk.

Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by the-dude on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:50PM (#23554407)
Not in the EU.
Re:Postbank to replace 12M bank cards after employees steal ... by Agenttin on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @03:30PM (#23555674)
Wage theft is hard to monitor with cameras and mirrors.