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Re:For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part o... by agar on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:15PM (#23546048)
I can't weigh in from personal experience, but I look at it like a marathon. One set of runners face a first half of the race with mud, crushed glass, vertical climbs, and other obstacles, while other racers had a nice tailwind and extra drink stations.

Regardless of the obstacles faced in the second half (which are still more numerous than the competition's), can't you understand why runners would still look back at that first half to explain their fatigue, anger, and feelings of injustice? Particularly when looking ahead and thinking, "Oh God, this crap /again/??"

The marathon in this example actually spans multiple generations, but even the horrible segregation of the 50's was experienced first hand by the parents of black people still in the workforce today.

Sounds like you came into the race halfway through. As an immigrant you're still facing those unfair obstacles in front of you, but just remember that you don't have the fatigue of carrying the baggage from the first half.

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Re:For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part o... by asfnasubfg231 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:36PM (#23554223)
I agree with this, but not all immigrants are the same so you are generalizing here. Some immigrants have faced genocide due to colonialism, and have not been better off (also have baggage).

What are your thoughts on that, because that's A LOT of immigrants

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Re:For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part o... by AuryGlenz on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:40PM (#23546264)
You could also argue that the large majority of black people still alive came in to the race halfway through as well. At some point it just becomes an excuse. Constantly blaming other people is a good way to never have any self improvement.
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Re:For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part o... by imtringued on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @04:33AM (#23549166)
Obviously the best way to get out of a bad situation is to help yourself first. The hardest part of this problem cannot be solved by outsiders but outsiders can certainly prevent progress if they put their minds to it. If you are a victim of discrimination then you must demonstrate through your own power that you you can succeed despite the discrimination. If you depend on help from others then you may not be taken seriously and you might never learn to help yourself.
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Re:For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part o... by malandrew on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @03:50AM (#23548915)
What you’re describing is known as the soft bigotry of low expectations and the anti racism crowd is perpetuating this form of systemic racism:

https://1776unites.com/featured-essays/the-1619-project-perp...

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Re:For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part o... by new2628 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:41PM (#23546271)
This analogy would work if it weren't for the immigrants who arrive with no connections and resources, and successfully make it through hardships within one or two generations.

A more apt analogy may be a marathon where there are bystanders who latch on to half of the runners and keep telling them, "you cannot make it, you need us to help you, the race is unfair".

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Re:For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part o... by imtringued on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @04:35AM (#23549189)
Starting from scratch is easier than starting halfway through the race with your shoe laces tied together.
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Re:For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part o... by taurath on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:03AM (#23547635)
Immigrants tend to have a high amount of education or resources relative to the societies they come from. Those immigrants come with their own sets of biases. Social infrastructure for, say, Indian people moving to Bellevue, WA in terms of social connections and wealth is better than Black american's have just ever had.
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