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Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by gretch on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:18PM (#23535631)
I've worked 6 years as a PM, last 4 at FANG

Here's some advice, which you are free to take or to leave, (and that's very reasonable since my advice is generic and I can't speak to your exact circumstances)

1) Just start doing it. Don't wait for someone to give you permission to prioritize customer needs. Pick up the phone and call them. Go to a store and watch them shop for your product. Talk to people. When you set OKRs/KPIs, just make them about customer needs. Be the change you want to see. Especially if you have spiritual buy-in from your manager. But your intentions have to be crystal clear on point about wanting what's best for the customer and the business and doing so in a rational way until you earn some social capital. It cannot be interpretable as political or they'll construe it as that and fire you

2) Use bureaucracy jiu-jitsu. Do what you think needs to be done in order to make the customer and the business successful. When someone tries to make you work on their arbitrary BS, give them a form to fill out and tell them it's in your team's triage queue. Make them force you to deprioritize a project which has clear value and then when that happens, make sure you announce loudly to all stakeholders why that project was depriortized and what's going to be implemented instead. If your stakeholders have even 2 braincells, they'll do the pushing back for you - you don't need to do it alone.

Lastly, you can't change an entire culture by yourself. For some places, it's just too late. But if you can find allies who feel the same way you do, you can be the beginning of a large change for your whole org by just being a good example

Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by teddyh on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @03:09AM (#23536643)
See also: Getting Things Done When You’re Only a Grunt (2001):

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/12/25/getting-things-don...

Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by gowld on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:26PM (#23553261)
That advice reads as "If your job sucks and you can't safely quit, defy your manager and work overtime until you are thanked for it or fired."
Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by teddyh on Thursday June 18, 2020 @02:12AM (#23560264)
Well, yes. Sometimes your options are limited.
Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by roosterdawn on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @11:57AM (#23540678)
A perennial classic. Still pertinent after nearly twenty years.
Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by curyous on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @02:10AM (#23536379)
Seems like great advice.
Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by roosterdawn on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @11:54AM (#23540642)
Great, practical advice for companies of that size. We can debate about whether it's unfortunate that it's necessary (I'd tend to agree that it is), but learning how to do this is the basic block and tackling required to get things moving at BigCos.
Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by siscia on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @12:16AM (#23535897)
Many thanks!
Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by cloudking on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @01:11AM (#23536106)
#1 is really solid advice.
Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by fogetti on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @01:12AM (#23536109)
I'd be cautious about this advice. Many times even though the company in general might be a feature factory [0], there might very well be a human who actually meets customers, or at least tried meeting them and failed for some reason.

So a much better and safer idea might be first to figure if there were any attempts in the past, or is there any ongoing similar initiative right now, find the participants if there was any and then to proceed.

By the way if all the PMs at FAANG are like you, that might be a terrible place to work at.

[0] https://cutle.fish/blog/12-signs-youre-working-in-a-feature-...

Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by tome on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @03:20AM (#23536705)
> By the way if all the PMs at FAANG are like you ...

This comment doesn't seem necessary!

Re:How many of you know that the team is working on somethin... by fogetti on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @03:22AM (#23536720)
And lo and behold, still it is there