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Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by rideontime on Monday June 15, 2020 @12:45PM (#23529420)
> Two unnamed executive are included in the complaint that had roles above Baugh.

eBay just released a statement[0] which alludes to both the Chief Communications Officer and the CEO (!) having been involved.

edit: Another article[1] provides more details, including that "an eBay executive told Baugh that he wanted to 'crush' those responsible for the newsletter while another executive told Baugh to 'take her down.'" One of these must be the "inappropriate communications" by the CEO, Devin Wenig, mentioned in eBay's statement.

edit 2: Still more details in another[2] article, including quotes from communications between "Executive 1" and "Executive 2."

[0] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ebay-inc-issues-statement-reg...

[1] https://natick.wickedlocal.com/news/20200615/6-former-ebay-e...

[2] https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/15/metro/six-former-ebay...

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by hogFeast on Monday June 15, 2020 @01:23PM (#23530081)
This does not surprise me.

Some CEOs are incredibly thin-skinned, they hire a bunch of people who usually got kicked out of the police after they harassed/beat someone, and then self-destruct with their own personal army when they can't handle the heat (you will get criticised daily).

Btw, something that was coincident with this (I believe) was the activist campaign against EBay...again, the number of executives who self-destruct when they see proof that they are bad at their job is significant (I wouldn't like to venture a guess at a proportion but I have seen this 10+ times).

Just imo, the problem is always lack of oversight. Boards not really asking whether the executives are up to the job, fat expense accounts with lots of these ex-police nutjobs stalking people, it is just total madness. Companies become captured by these executives.

(I used to know a guy who ran a relatively small fund but used to short sell frauds, mainly accounting as the guy used to be an accountant. He had to go to great lengths to hide what he was doing because the second a company found out, they would send people to wait outside his office/follow him/etc. and this is just a nobody guy running a small fund in a mid-tier financial city i.e. not London, or New York, or HK...I call these executives the Harvard Business School Al-Qaeda, truly dangerous people).

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by NotSammyHagar on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:08PM (#23533631)
When you put it like that, it explains the security guy for hooli on silicon valley, played by Chris Williams, "Hoover". He's exactly that stereotype. And even on Devs the security guy was in that category.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by mercer on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @04:37AM (#23537046)
I did feel that both those shows still painted the leaders a bit too positively, in that they often didn't directly concern themselves with what their 'security guy' did, or isolate themselves from it. I suspect in practice they're much more aware and hands-on.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by anon892143 on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:34PM (#23535066)
I thought Tesla was using a Stingray IMSI Catcher to intercept personal cellular communications of its "employees" in a small radius of the factory.

I thought it was becoming common knowledge this is the case in many Silicon Valley campuses...

https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employee-claims-the...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/3/16408724/waymo-uber-lewan...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-nuvia-lawsuit/apple...

I am pretty sure none of these people used their corporate issued cell phones...

It wouldn't take much to get a nice Stingray and plant it at HQ...

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by cma on Monday June 15, 2020 @02:08PM (#23530831)
Tesla/Elon got away with what looks like swatting a former employee, and makes use of sketchy freelance sketchy private investigators.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by hogFeast on Monday June 15, 2020 @02:25PM (#23531068)
Elon is low integrity. I know he is popular here but he just seems like a pretty scummy guy. I know one of the biggest holders of Tesla, and they have said (publicly too, I believe) that he isn't an ethical guy but they still have a huge position (too big to probably sell now tbh)...a lot of wishful thinking with Musk.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by jacobush on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:01PM (#23534077)
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by NotSammyHagar on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:02PM (#23533577)
I remember there was a claim against a former employee at tesla. And of course companies have a lot of money and power that could be leveraged against an employee, but there are always two sides. It would be big news if tesla did something like that, can you point to a story about that?
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by arkades on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:12PM (#23534169)
As another poster included: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon...

“ An anonymous caller had contacted the company to say Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the Gigafactory. When the police confronted Tripp that evening, he was unarmed and in tears. He said he was terrified of Musk and suggested the billionaire might have called in the tip himself.”

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by Wolve on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:32PM (#23534297)
Just what? That's so messed up. I didn't realize situations like this actually happen. I'm shocked.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by vkou on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:24PM (#23535371)
This has been discussed here in the past, but since it's Musk's (Who can do no wrong) word against some nobody's, it has never gotten much prominence.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by jacobush on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @01:58PM (#23542044)
It's very sad - if anything, his fans, should for at least pragmatic reasons keep him accountable, or he will self destruct before he can achieve the Mars Colony.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by abbracadabbra on Monday June 15, 2020 @01:27PM (#23530145)
A choice quote from the wickedlocal coverage:

> Those involved became so concerned that they developed a list of people in California they could frame if authorities tracked the harassment there, Lelling said

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by extrapolate on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:49PM (#23534409)
Looking at the affidavit [1], Executive 1 is definitely the ex-CEO.

> "On April 10, 2019... Executive 2 texted Executive 1... sending along a link to the Newsletter’s coverage that day [2] of Executive 1's compensation".

[1] https://www.scribd.com/document/465728291/FBI-Affidavit-agai...

[2] https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2019/4/155...

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by guiambros on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:37PM (#23535434)
Indeed. From the Boston Globe article [1]

"... the article stated that Executive 1 “has been unable to stop a decline in market sales, but trying to dissuade sellers from turning to Amazon (and trying to get Amazon to stop recruiting sellers) may not be the best tactic."

From the couple's blog [2]:

"eBay's CEO has been unable to stop a decline in marketplace sales, but trying to dissuade sellers from turning to Amazon (and trying to get Amazon to stop recruiting sellers) may not be the best tactic."

If proven true, the CEO was not only aware, but also condoned such tactics, and ordered to "Take her down". This will make the situation even worse for ebay's board to justify why they didn't fire the guy on the spot.

[1] https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/15/metro/six-former-ebay...

[2] https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2019/8/156...

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by pwdisswordfish2 on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:10PM (#23535580)
"Former eBay CEO Devin Wenig also left the company that month. While he isn't named in the criminal complaint, eBay confirmed that he is "Executive 1" who allegedly gave the initial order to "Take her down" (which was then relayed to Baugh by "Executive 2")."

https://www.wired.com/story/ebay-employees-charged-cyberstal...

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by contemporary343 on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:04PM (#23534891)
Devin Wenig (the ex-CEO) is on GM's board of directors. And.. he's up for re-election tomorrow!
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by SV_BubbleTime on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @12:24AM (#23535932)
Coincidental timing?
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by contemporary343 on Monday June 15, 2020 @01:01PM (#23529709)
If I 'm reading this clearly, this investigation was a material factor in the CEO's departure from eBay! Crazy - he might yet be indicted since the FBI is still investigating..
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by bozoUser on Monday June 15, 2020 @02:04PM (#23530750)
Since this is the top comment, you may also want to edit that Devin Wenig is the former CEO[0]

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/25/ebay-ceo-devin-wenig-is-step...

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by NotSammyHagar on Monday June 15, 2020 @03:52PM (#23532163)
You know they hoped this would never come to light and they wouldn't have to admit that it happened.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by tsomctl on Monday June 15, 2020 @12:48PM (#23529469)
I buy a ton of things off eBay. This is seriously making me not want to do business with them again.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by afandian on Monday June 15, 2020 @12:58PM (#23529653)
Not having read / watched the press brefing my first reaction to this comment was, I admit, a bit eye-rolly. Then I watched it.

If that is your reaction, seriously, go and watch it. It really is an extraordinary set of allegations. It's nine minutes long and it just gets weirder and weirder.

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by rideontime on Monday June 15, 2020 @01:12PM (#23529889)
And he's still leaving details out! I can't wait to read the complaint itself.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by wolco on Monday June 15, 2020 @08:09PM (#23534549)
The CEO gets fired and you want to punish the company who fired him. Who's side are you on?
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by alt219 on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:13PM (#23535312)
I take it as the CEO left for reasons stated at the time as other than this incident, when in fact eBay actually knew about the CEO’s involvement but hoped the real reason wouldn’t ever come out.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by vkou on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:21PM (#23535358)
The company created an environment which enabled this sort of behaviour. This wasn't some rogue employee operating under the radar - this was a conspiracy through multiple levels of management.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by thorwasdfasdf on Monday June 15, 2020 @02:15PM (#23530910)
Yup, same here.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by rideontime on Monday June 15, 2020 @04:58PM (#23532889)
Piggybacking on my own comment to add one last link, to the actual affidavit. Still working my way through all 51 pages, but it's pretty obvious who "Executive 1" is.

https://www.scribd.com/document/465728291/FBI-Affidavit-agai...

Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by ghaff on Monday June 15, 2020 @12:55PM (#23529598)
That reads as if there was no actual smoking gun to directly link the [former] CEO but there were probably at least tangentially related questionable emails. But wow. Head of Corporate Comms among others.
Re:Six eBay executives and employees charged over alleged cy... by pwdisswordfish2 on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:51PM (#23535493)
https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2020/6/159...

It says on June 30, the Ebay CFO and two Ebay board members are "retiring".

Commenters in this thread are questioning why this blog was targeted and speculating without any facts.

May I suggest reading the FBI's Criminal Complaint:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200616015754if_/https://assets...

Additonally, here is a PDF of the FBI's Affidavit, instead of the scribd nonsense.

https://regmedia.co.uk/2020/06/15/ebayaffadavit.pdf

For those who will not read the complaint, here's a few excerpts:

18. On April 10, 2019, for example, Executive 2 texted Executive 1, "We are going to crush this lady", sending along a link to the Newsletter's coverage that day of Executive 1's compensation.

19. On April 20, 2019, discussing the Wall Street Journal's coverage of Executive 1, Executive 1 texted to Executive 2, "Fuck them. The journal is next on the list after [Victim 1]."

20. On May 31, 2019, commenting on the Newsletter's coverage of eBay that day, Executive 2 texted to Executive 1, "Shockingly reasonable..." Executive 1 replied, "I couldn t care less what she says." Seconds later, Executive 1 added, "Take her down."

22. Like many news outlets, the Newsletter offered its readers the opportunity to comment underneath Victim 1 s stories. The anonymous comments were sometimes critical of eBay and its executive leadership team. At other times, the comments amounted to namecalling. For example, a May 2015 comment called eBay executives liars and thugs who should be jailed; a May 2017 comment called Executive 1 the devil; and an April 2018 comment stated that Executive 1 was delusional.

23. One commenter in particular, who went by the online nicknames FidoMaster, FidoMaster1, Dan Davis, or UnsuckeBay (collectively, the Parody Account expressed frequent and negative opinions regarding eBay.2 In addition to commenting below the Newsletter s articles, the anonymous author(s) of the Parody Account sometimes posted opinions critical of eBay in Twitter feeds, impersonated official eBay communications using a distorted version of the company's logo, or sent messages that one eBay seller considered to be harassing.

24. On May 21, 2019, for example, the Newsletter reported that eBay had built on its campus an expensive replica of Walker a popular Manhattan bar noting, "It's probably news to sellers (and shareholders?) that eBay has a pub-like lounge on campus especially one built with what appears to be no-expenses spared." FidoMaster1 tweeted a link to the article, noting @[Newsletter] posted about @eBay s beleagured [Executive 1 s] self-indulgent vanity project Walker's West campus bar. The tweet continued, "The bar, [Executive 1's] recreation of iconic @WalkersBarNYC is a throwback to internet and gaming company CEO s lavish overspending on legacy facilities and landmarks." FidoMaster1 also criticized Executive 1 for undertaking the project while eBay was experiencing cost reduction, layoffs, and scrutiny by activist investors.

25. In March 2019, in response to a request from Executive 2, the GIC prepared a report for BAUGH summarizing the Parody Account s discussions of eBay over the last year. The report noted that FidoMaster1/Dan Davis was an anonymous [T]witter user that posts negative content about eBay and its senior leadership. Regarding Fidomaster1/Dan Davis relationship with the Newsletter, the report noted the owner of this account corresponds regularly with [the Newsletter] editor [Victim 1] about issues pertaining to eBay. [Victim 1] and [the Newsletter] are known for publishing negative content about eBay and its executives.

31. On or about July 18, 2019, Executive 1's spouse texted BAUGH privately about a comment underneath a Newsletter article that called Executive 1 a con artist and thief. The spouse wrote: "I'm not exactly thrilled with this post on my favorite [Newsletter]. The author gets people worked up with the way she skews her stories. Don t tell [Executive 1] I sent this I m just letting you know about it. Ok?"

34. On August 1, 2019, the New York Times published an article reporting that eBay had accused Amazon in a lawsuit of unlawfully poaching eBay sellers to Amazon s online marketplace.

35. That day, at approximately 1:46 p.m., Victim 1 posted an article on the Newsletter under the headline "eBay RICO Lawsuit Meant to Curb Seller Exodus to Amazon?" Victim 1's article reported on both Executive 1 and eBay's lawsuit: "[Executive 1] has been unable to stop a decline in market sales, but trying to dissuade sellers from turning to Amazon (and trying to get Amazon to stop recruiting sellers) may not be the best tactic."

36. Just half an hour later, at 2:19 p.m., Executive 1 texted Executive 2: "[Victim 1] is out with a hot piece on the litigation. If you are ever going to take her down..now is the time."

37. Executive 2 responded shortly afterward by text message: "On it."