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Re:Temporary National Emergency Library to close 2 weeks early by nordsieck on Sunday June 14, 2020 @11:14PM (#23523428)
> Like, you didn't challenge it for decades, it's gotten an established place in society, no dice?

1. After some quick searching, I don't think CDL has been ongoing for anywhere close to "decades".

2. Some IP like trademark can be lost if it isn't defended. I do not believe that is true for copyright.

3. In general, this is not the way law works. If you steal from someone for years without being caught, you don't create a right to steal from that person over time because it's "been ongoing for anywhere close to 'decades'". The lone exception that I"m aware of is land ownership - adverse possession is a thing, but it only applies to real estate and it applies to a specific piece of real estate, not a pattern of activity.

Re:Temporary National Emergency Library to close 2 weeks early by Reelin on Sunday June 14, 2020 @11:44PM (#23523571)
> If you steal from someone for years without being caught

Wait, what? Who said anything about stealing? Publishers might try to argue piracy but CDL doesn't seem to fit that either on account of the DRM.

Honestly I'm not at all clear what a cohesive argument against CDL would look like. Given the first sale doctrine it wouldn't even surprise me if some of the current ebook pricing practices were actually illegal.

Re:Temporary National Emergency Library to close 2 weeks early by nordsieck on Monday June 15, 2020 @12:08AM (#23523702)
> Honestly I'm not at all clear what a cohesive argument against CDL would look like.

The argument is simple. Copyright allows the copyright holder to enjoin anyone else from making a copy of a work - including a digital copy. Essentially all software works by making copies of data that is uses.

The first sale doctrine doesn't apply (IMO) because it sets limitations on the rights of a copyright holder to a particular copy of a work after it has been sold. Each "loan" of an ebook is a fresh copy.

If you look at the Controlled Digital Lending website[1], they pin most of the legal legitimacy on fair use, not first sale doctrine, which I think is probably much more solid legal footing.

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1. https://controlleddigitallending.org/

Re:Temporary National Emergency Library to close 2 weeks early by starfallg on Monday June 15, 2020 @04:12AM (#23525029)
There is a strong argument that the first sale doctrine should be applied to the license granting the use of digital goods rather than the actual copy (which is undecipherable in its physical form to us anyway and require a lot of additional copying within a computer to produce the pulses of light that we can read, for example). The license is the meaningful legal construct in which the content is accessed.

The EU has already done this since the ECJ ruling in 2012, and the US is behind the curve.

Re:Temporary National Emergency Library to close 2 weeks early by Reelin on Monday June 15, 2020 @01:32AM (#23524108)
I'll agree that your interpretation is the correct one if everything is taken completely literally.

That being said, it seems like the ultimate end run around otherwise well established law surrounding books. As you noted essentially all software works in this way. Throwing out all established laws and end user rights "because digital" hardly seems reasonable to me.

How does such a line of argument square with the fact that even making personal use of a digital item inevitably involves multiple copy operations on a local device in the best case? Even moving it between two partitions on the same device involves copying it. (I suppose I should just be grateful that the digital overlords saw fit to grant me permission to move things between logical volumes. /s)

Re:Temporary National Emergency Library to close 2 weeks early by nordsieck on Monday June 15, 2020 @01:50AM (#23524182)
> How does such a line of argument square with the fact that even making personal use of a digital item inevitably involves multiple copy operations on a local device in the best case? Even moving it between two partitions on the same device involves copying it.

Most digital goods are "sold" as a copyright license.