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Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by cocktailpeanuts on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:04PM (#23520356)
People insinuate this is some sort of racism, but it actually has more to do with the incentive.

People tend to be heavily influenced by their environment as they grow up. And if the majority of your peers see X as being "cool", that's what a lot of people will try to achieve.

For example, during high school years, the "popular kids" are the jocks who play sports, not a geek who plays with code all day (although this has shifted a lot lately). If you look at it this way, the guys who go on to play an the NBA do it not because they are "underprivileged" and racially profiled to be kicked out of studying, but because that IS the valuable route they want to choose. Likewise, the current state of the music industry is heavily influenced by black culture. You could say pretty much everything is black culture influenced, from rap to r&b to Jazz to dance music. So a lot of black kids look up to those artists and creative people, and they strive to excel in those areas. I think that's great.

There's a reason why fighting arcade games and strategy games like Starcraft, WoW, etc. are dominated by Korean pro gamers. Nobody said blacks shouldn't play Starcraft or Tekken, nobody told white guys to stop playing. Koreans were simply heavily socially incentivized to be good at it.

Same goes for football (soccer). Nobody said Brazilians are the only privileged race on earth who are allowed to play football. They were just heavily socially incentivized to do so because that's what's considered of value.

Once you stop thinking as a victim and start thinking more positively, there are many explanations to the "mystery" you just can't seem to figure out.

p.s.

Just to be clear, I am not denying that racism exists. I would however like to point out that the people who keep blaming everything to racism are the ones who are actually subliminally racists.

Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by Impossible on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:15PM (#23520476)
In computer science, access to computers and being able to freely use, modify and program them is critical. Many Black adults had no or limited computer access as children. Even kids that did need to know that's it's possible to create software , which might require an adult that knows it also, and importantly be allowed to actually do so. Computers are expensive enough that many Black families would keep kids from using them for fear of breaking them. People do overcome this and go onto become software engineers or take other jobs in tech, but common stories of Black people in tech include early computer access, many had parents that are software engineers even. I fear that the popularity of mobile means many more kids have a computing device, but it's not readily available for programming. This is probably offset by a bigger educational emphasis on learning how to code.
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by jazzyk on Sunday June 14, 2020 @05:19PM (#23521488)
I disagree - many inner-city youths are into super-expensive sneakers ($300 and up), golden chains and other status symbols dictated by the social environment they grow up in. Computers are just not cool enough. Yes, there are exceptions, but the stereotype - unfortunately - mostly holds..

More money helps to a point, but what these young people need more than anything is appropriate role models (engineers, scientists, etc). Yes, I know, easier said than done...

Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by tikititaki on Sunday June 14, 2020 @07:01PM (#23522167)
Obviously, kids are all going to want to emulate their role models. Whether the role models are Lance Armstrong or Lebron James, they will be influenced in one direction or another because of that.

But there is a very real fact that certain peoples don't have access to computers. My wife grew up in a poor area, and they did not have a computer in their home until she was 16 when got a laptop as a gift.

I grew up poor, but as a foreigner with no real contact with others so I stayed mostly at home. My father used to love buying old cheap computers at garage sales, so I would mix and match hardware from the old computers and I managed to learn a lot.

Both of us grew up poor, but I grew up to be a programmer because I had plenty of access to computers while growing up. It was always natural to me, and it was hard for her.

Neither of us idolized gold chains or expensive shoes. I think what you're saying is a harmful and frankly, racist stereotype. Just because a family buys a $200 pair of shoes for their child on Christmas, doesn't mean that means the child shouldn't have access to computers. Rich families will give their kids expensive things as well as give access to computers.

Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by Impossible on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:18PM (#23521853)
How many "inner-city youths" do you actually know? Or are you playing into a convenient stereotype? I grew up with "inner-city youths" that loved computers, and kids now have significantly more access. You're just wrong here. Also I knew many well off urban and suburban white and Asian kids that did not think computers were cool, so your stereotypes are unfounded
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by selimthegrim on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:58PM (#23522142)
Michael Harriot from the Root has an answer for you (and Pete Buttigieg) - https://www.theroot.com/pete-buttigieg-called-me-heres-what-... in response to https://www.theroot.com/pete-buttigieg-is-a-lying-mf-1840038...
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by CyberDildonics on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:48PM (#23522061)
This seems like a stereotype from movies and TV rather than a generalization of real systemic information. Do you have numbers to back this up?
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by whb07 on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:02AM (#23526838)
This is the largest crock of BS one could plausibly spin up to calm their minds from exploring the harsh reality.

I worked for a bit with a Cuban immigrant who studied CS to a high level (post bachelors) without a computer. As in the university and the whole of society didn't have access to computers because you know....communism. He correctly retorted at my shock of "how can you do CS without a computer" question to say the least.

Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by frizzo____ on Monday June 15, 2020 @02:55PM (#23531451)
He did not have access to a computer in Cuba because of the embargo, not communism.
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by whb07 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:21AM (#23538819)
lol there is a trade embargo between the U.S and Cuba, there isn't a naval enforced embargo from all nations to Cuba. Please check your facts. Cuban citizens trade with other nations in the surrounding areas openly.

source: Cuban family and emigres. Please don't talk to me about communism without reliable data.

Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by Out_of_Characte on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:20PM (#23520518)
Glad to see someone adhering to simple moral philosophy like the presumtion of innocence. These days I see people proclaiming racism and sexism before even considering it could all be coincidental rather than harmfull intent to a specific sex or race.
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by pessimizer on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:14PM (#23520464)
So it's not racism, it's a lack of positive thinking?
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by Impossible on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:20PM (#23520510)
As they said, racism is still an issue, but lack of role models and exposure is possibly a bigger issue. Lack of exposure and role models is a symptom of long term systemic racism though, but it doesn't manifest in the same way many people think of racism. Lack of positive thinking isn't quite the right term here, because it assumes that if Black kids just believed in themselves and thought differently it would fix all issues. It goes back to a stereotype that Black culture doesn't value STEM or intelligence, which isn't the case.
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by GoodJokes on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:49PM (#23520747)
So it is racism then? Its ok to say it. Its racism. OC was racist too.
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by Impossible on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:42PM (#23522013)
I agree. My comment was worded in order to avoid confusing people that equate racism with individual bigotry and prejudice
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by klyrs on Sunday June 14, 2020 @05:55PM (#23521708)
> People tend to be heavily influenced by their environment as they grow up.

Are you referring to the country's history of slavery, segregation and mass incarceration? Because I'd agree that "the environment" that black people are raised in is definitely shaped by racism, past and present. That you acknowledge its existence as a footnote makes me think you're underestimating the impact of 400 years of treating people as sub-human.

Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by cocktailpeanuts on Sunday June 14, 2020 @08:16PM (#23522620)
That you insinuate i'm being racist even as you acknowledge my acknowledgement of the existence of racism just tells me that you're here to fight and not willing to have a civil discourse.
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by klyrs on Sunday June 14, 2020 @10:43PM (#23523300)
What I said is that your analysis is missing historical context; that your acknowledgement is inadequate given that context. I certainly didn't mean to insinuate that you're racist, and I don't see what would give you that idea. Are you sure that I'm the one spoiling for a fight?
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by aparsons on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:51AM (#23528717)
People get angry when the possibility that culture has something to do with black (vs asian, for example) success in America is floated. They will scream racism without even allowing the conversation.
Re:Why are there so few black people in STEM? by the_omegist on Monday June 15, 2020 @08:57AM (#23526798)
Your convenient explanation doesn't explain why more and more black people are accessing to the middle-class and above. Neither does it explain why, in Europe for example, where there was no slavery, you probably see as few black people in STEM as in the US.