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Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by chrisseaton on Sunday June 14, 2020 @01:54PM (#23519705)
Does that not cause people cash-flow problems? In my experience things like mortgages are based on how much you're guaranteed to be paid and if you just say you hope to get a bonus and you hope your shares are worth something they won't be happy.

If your total compensation is something like a quarter of a million as an Amazon engineer does that mean you have to live much more frugally for your first year until you get your bonus and shares?

Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by freyr on Sunday June 14, 2020 @02:02PM (#23519778)
Yes, but this is offset by Amazon's sign-on bonus. According to online sources, Amazon's stock vesting schedule is:

5% in year 1, 15% in year 2, 40% in year 3, 40% in year 4.

This is unfavorable compared to other top-paying tech companies, however Amazon may offer a sign-on bonus for years 1 and 2 to help even out the total annual comp.

Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by chrisseaton on Sunday June 14, 2020 @02:08PM (#23519834)
> Yes, but this is offset by Amazon's sign-on bonus.

Aaah, I see how it all works together then.

Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by sdhrnrhbrt on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:00PM (#23520308)
Not really, that offsetting by sign-on bonus is a lie too: other companies not only offer a higher sign-on bonus, but also monthly or quarterly vesting in even chunks.
Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by scarface74 on Sunday June 14, 2020 @04:30PM (#23521052)
It’s not “a lie”. They tell you the total comp target and it’s made up of salary+bonus+RSU. You either accept it or you don’t.
Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by monocasa on Sunday June 14, 2020 @04:57PM (#23521310)
The idea that it balances their compensation out versus the rest of FAANG is a lie though.
Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by scarface74 on Sunday June 14, 2020 @05:15PM (#23521463)
A lie by who? Amazon?
Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by freyr on Sunday June 14, 2020 @07:40PM (#23522427)
Yeah, Amazon's compensation structure is really bad compared to other FAANG companies. Perks are worse (pre-Covid-19, at least). And most people seem to think work-life balance and company culture is worse.

On the other hand, AMZN stock has done much better than Facebook, Google, Apple over the last five years, so at least they have that.

Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by vkou on Sunday June 14, 2020 @09:11PM (#23522911)
> On the other hand, AMZN stock has done much better than Facebook, Google, Apple over the last five years, so at least they have that.

Yes, but you don't have to work at AMZN to buy their stock. And RSUs are just another name for 'cash compensation, that was immediately spent on buying company stock'.

Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by scarface74 on Monday June 15, 2020 @01:04AM (#23523950)
True. But if your target comp over the first four years was hypothetically $900K based on salary+bonus+RSUs and the stock went up significantly during that time you would end up making more. Of course if the stock goes down....

I think I heard that Amazon bases future grants on the assumption that the stock price will increase 15%. But I can tell you that my salary+bonus+RSU when they made an offer was based on the stock price not changing.

Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by amznthrwaway on Sunday June 14, 2020 @10:36PM (#23523265)
Amazon’s sign on bonus is paid and vests monthly if it’s for a substantial amount.
Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by lazyasciiart on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:48PM (#23520740)
No. My mortgage looked at taxes, which show the value of shares I received each year (and bonuses). Plenty of people earn income outside a salary - think of a successful sales guy, where most of their income is commissions.
Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by sukilot on Sunday June 14, 2020 @05:35PM (#23521598)
The bank wants to sell you a loan. They aren't going to intentionally leave money on the table by intentionally ignoring what an RSU is
Re:Amazon added a non-compete after the employee entered the... by amznthrwaway on Sunday June 14, 2020 @10:40PM (#23523287)
The banks include RSUs if you have two years of history of receiving them. Otherwise they ignore the stock plan.

The same goes for the sign on bonus, they ignore the bonus portion of comp unless there is two years of history and an expectation that it will continue.

Source: I have been at Amazon for 2.5 years and checked with a LOT of banks.