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Re:Never Hertz to Ask by wpietri on Sunday June 14, 2020 @09:14AM (#23517429)
Agreed. The thing that seems especially bonkers to me is that the theory of Uber is that you could turn a low-margin business into a high-margin business by a) shifting most of your risk (opex, capex, labor costs) to low wage workers too desperate to negotiate a fair deal, and b) spending massively to get Google-ish monopoly pricing over a key activity.

Point A is looking more and more false. Uber took on a lot of costs; instead of running a very lean operation, they spent like a tech company. They're having a hard time weathering this downturn. Governments are catching up to them on their labor-isn't-labor regulatory arbitrage, and I expect that come 2021, they'll see national-scale questions about their worker exploitation.

Point B is looking even worse. Once they failed to kill Lyft, extracting monopoly rents went out the window. And now a bunch of well-funded organizations with strong brands are coming after their business with autonomous cars. It won't be easy competing with Google on software. It won't be easy competing with GM on cars. And plenty of companies have brands compatible with becoming a preferred transportation provider. E.g., imagine BMW's autonomous car service. Or even worse from Uber's perspective, Costco. That's something like a quarter of American households.

It's perfectly plausible to me that Uber will never hit breakeven in terms of total profit exceeding total investment. By 2040, they could be in the same bucket as Groupon: an early darling that still exists but people barely remember.

Re:Never Hertz to Ask by flashyfaffe2 on Sunday June 14, 2020 @10:33AM (#23517897)
Everything being equal,isn't what Amazon did before anyone else? Burning astonishing amount of cash and create a massive monopoly. Prof Galloway, gave very interesting thoughts:

https://www.profgalloway.com/wewtf

Re:Never Hertz to Ask by wpietri on Sunday June 14, 2020 @01:06PM (#23519349)
I don't think so. Per Crunchbase, Amazon only took $108 million in investment. Uber took $8 billion. Although I have plenty of issues with Amazon's behavior, I think they earned their market dominance the hard way.
Re:Never Hertz to Ask by rauchp on Sunday June 14, 2020 @04:57PM (#23521308)
Amazon has been raising money though bonds for a while now, though. They even recently raised $10 billion in bonds at a crazy low rate.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/amazon-raise...

Re:Never Hertz to Ask by wpietri on Monday June 15, 2020 @12:16PM (#23529031)
Fair point. Although I think Amazon is doing that based not on speculation about the possibility of gaining market dominance, but because they already have it. The fact that it's bonds and not venture funding is a sign.
Re:Never Hertz to Ask by sukilot on Sunday June 14, 2020 @01:42PM (#23519626)
Retail shopping had incredible inefficiencies and economies of scale that a personal chauffer doesn't have.
Re:Never Hertz to Ask by neaanopri on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:43PM (#23522027)
Amazon successfully created a monopoly, with a combination of choosing the right market, and good execution.

Uber failed to create a monopoly, both due to their choice of market and poor execution.

Just because it is possible to create a monopoly, does not mean you will necessarily succeed.

Re:Never Hertz to Ask by postingawayonhn on Sunday June 14, 2020 @10:53AM (#23518056)
Amazon remains very price competitive. For Uber to make a profit they need to raise prices to cover all their operational expenses. Traditional taxi companies can remain viable at lower prices due to their lower operational spending.
Re:Never Hertz to Ask by flashyfaffe2 on Sunday June 14, 2020 @10:42AM (#23517975)
Everything being equal,isn't what Amazon did before anyone else? Burning astonishing amount of cash and create a massive monopoly. Prof Galloway, gave very interesting thoughts on similar approach followed by WeWork

https://www.profgalloway.com/wewtf