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Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by dwheeler on Saturday June 13, 2020 @09:16PM (#23514319)
In the US this question is fairly settled.

The U.S. Copyright Office has already declared that if it's generated by a machine, without any creative input or intervention from a human author, then the work is NOT eligible for copyright at all.

They believe that "The copyright law only protects “the fruits of intellectual labor” that “are founded in the creative powers of the mind.” Trade-Mark Cases, 100 U.S. 82, 94 (1879). Because copyright law is limited to “original intellectual conceptions of the author,” the Office will refuse to register a claim if it determines that a human being did not create the work. Burrow-Giles Lithographic Co. v. Sarony, 111 U.S. 53, 58 (1884). ... the Copyright Act protects “original works of authorship.” 17 U.S.C. § 102(a) (emphasis added). To qualify as a work of “authorship” a work must be created by a human being. See Burrow-Giles Lithographic Co., 111 U.S. at 58. Works that do not satisfy this requirement are not copyrightable. The Office will not register works produced by nature, animals, or plants.... Similarly, the Office will not register works produced by a machine or mere mechanical process that operates randomly or automatically without any creative input or intervention from a human author."

I'm quoting chapter 300 here: <https://www.copyright.gov/comp3/chap300/ch300-copyrightable-... of the Compendium of U.S. Copyright Office Practices here <https://www.copyright.gov/comp3/>. The compendium is the "governing administrative manual for registrations and recordations issued by the U.S. Copyright Office." In short, for the US, this is an extremely authoritative source.

A future US court ruling or law change could change this, of course, but I sure wouldn't bet on it. The US Copyright Office has lawyers who specialize in this area, have clearly stated their position, and they are citing specific laws and court cases to justify their position. Also, in most cases you can't go forward with a copyright claim without registration (though you can register after-the-fact); if the US Copyright Office won't allow registration, you'll have a really challenging time even starting a court case.

I'm sure there are edge cases and complications. But the essence is only "unsettled" if you don't look for the existing rulings. A Google search will find actual answers from credible, authoritative sources. Sure, courts and Congress could change it, but it'd require a significant change.

While this information is specific to the U.S., copyright is similar enough in other jurisdictions that there's a decent chance that other jurisdictions would come to the same conclusion. European law in particular has a number of similarities in this area; I'd love to hear from those with more background in other jurisdictions.

Disclaimers: I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice.

Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by cookiengineer on Sunday June 14, 2020 @02:06AM (#23515482)
Within the EU, this is not the case - and quite the opposite situation.

The EU copyright directive from 2003 rules that only a natural person (a human, not a company) can have copyright ownership on its works. Companies only can own perpetual licenses for these works.

Generated art where a machine writes code or produces artwork based on randomization leads to the inventor of the algorithm owning the copyright for it.

As there is nothing like "public domain" in the EU area possible, you can only distance yourself from this work with the CC0 license while stating that you cannot offer any warranty and that you cannot be held responsible for malicious use of the product and that users of the product use it with their own risk.

Source: wrote a code generating engine based on backpropagated ES/HyperNEAT, got sued in front of the EU court because it turned out it got quite good at pentesting, too.

Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by emilfihlman on Sunday June 14, 2020 @02:09AM (#23515491)
Could tell more on the source part? Sounds pretty interesting!
Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by cookiengineer on Sunday June 14, 2020 @02:19AM (#23515531)
I am not allowed to talk about this in public, as it was a non-public ruling that ended up with a compromise in a later round.

I could offer to talk about it via telegram secure chat, if you're interested. I have the same pseudonym there.

Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by ddlutz on Saturday June 13, 2020 @10:00PM (#23514522)
Does tuning the hyperparameters for the IA count as creative input or human intervention?
Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by dwheeler on Saturday June 13, 2020 @10:16PM (#23514577)
I don't know if hyperparameters count as being adequately creative, and perhaps that is unsettled. I suspect you would have to have an argument about how creative the process of tuning parameters is. It might be very fact-specific, IE perhaps some hyperparameters might count as creative and others might not. I realize that is not very satisfying.

The US Copyright Office says: "The crucial question is “whether the ‘work’ is basically one of human authorship, with the computer [or other device] merely being an assisting instrument, or whether the traditional elements of authorship in the work (literary, artistic, or musical expression or elements of selection, arrangement, etc.) were actually conceived and executed not by man but by a machine.” U.S. Copyright office, Report to the Librarian of Congress by the Register of Copyrights (1966)."

While the dividing line is fuzzy, it is clear that as soon as you're claiming that the art was generated by AI, you are fighting an uphill battle to get a copyright registered.

Again, I am not a lawyer.

Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by Thiez on Sunday June 14, 2020 @04:20AM (#23515970)
I think it is perhaps interesting to compare to photography. There a human picks the initial parameters (position, angle, lens, time of day), presses a button, and then the camera (a device) does all the work. It is not controversial that photographers have a copyright on their work.
Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by dwheeler on Sunday June 14, 2020 @02:20PM (#23519927)
You're right, it is not controversial today that photographers have a copyright on their work. Which is why the monkey selfie is so important. In the monkey selfie case, a photographer did set up the equipment, which means that some of the parameters were indeed established by a human. However, the monkey actually created the picture, including the timing and body placement. The copyright office has determined that the work could not be copyrighted.

Which leads to the conclusion that at least in some cases,a human doing some setup is not enough to grant a copyright.

Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by dwheeler on Saturday June 13, 2020 @10:33PM (#23514644)
I think we just have to talk about the "Monkey Selfie Copyright Dispute" (2011-2018) - details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...

While this case was partly about the question "can a Monkey own a copyright in a selfie it creates?", I think it got a lot of press because it was so obviously related to the case of AI-created art. If one non-human can get a copyright, why not another? The US Copyright office has shot them both down, on the grounds that only humans can get copyrights.

In the monkey selfie case, the photographer set up the camera, which meant that there were some very abstract settings that involved a human. That wasn't enough to get a copyright. I think at least some hyperparameters would be similar - not really enough to justify creativity.

Re:Who should own the copyright of AI-generated art? by choxi on Saturday June 13, 2020 @11:55PM (#23514973)
The machines will not be pleased by this.