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Re:The social obligation to be bad at things by martythemaniak on Thursday June 11, 2020 @01:07PM (#23490925)
The trick is to transport yourself mentally to the time and place where that art was created. This is actually a very hard mental exercise, as art is a sort of "fingerprint" or "hash" of the world it was created in - it includes contemporary thought, politics, science, technology, social attitudes etc.

Looking at art from the perspective of a century after it was introduced and its effects have become incorporated into mainstream culture just not that useful.

Re:The social obligation to be bad at things by wbronitsky on Thursday June 11, 2020 @01:14PM (#23490997)
This is a great tip, thank you!

I find the best museums and exhibits help you get into this mindset; I'm reminded of an exhibit I saw at the Tate Modern about Picasso in 1932. It provided not only the context to his art, but to him as a person. I was able to better understand how his art was shifting at the time due to the nature of the world around him and his personal relationships. It really allowed me to see the artist through the art and the art in its context. https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/ey-e...

I hope that I can take this idea to domains outside of art as well; considering the context of everything we encounter is important for a better understanding of our shared world.

Re:The social obligation to be bad at things by the_af on Thursday June 11, 2020 @01:56PM (#23491508)
What if, after transporting yourself mentally to the time and place, you still consider it artless or worthless? Is this an opinion that one is still allowed to hold, or would it be a faux pas?

I mean, I can look at art created thousands of years before "Fountain" and appreciate it, but still consider Fountain snobbery, can't I?

Re:The social obligation to be bad at things by imtringued on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:49AM (#23497324)
Art is just human expression or communication. A lot of the "lazy" art is seeing with how much you can get away and how little meat there is to the word "art".

For centuries artists have tried their best to create the most beautiful artworks possible. This lead to an association of beauty with art. Art must be beautiful. You challenge this idea by making something that is not beautiful but people will still consider as art.

Re:The social obligation to be bad at things by the_af on Friday June 12, 2020 @10:28AM (#23499557)
I realize this is spread across multiple comments of mine now, but I specifically said I acknowledge art and beauty are not required to go hand in hand. I acknowledge some pieces of art challenge established boundaries, and some are grotesque or purposefully repulsive. I just dislike Fountain and similar "found objects" and consider them artless.

Otherwise, if everything is art as long as someone tells me it must be so, the concept of "art" becomes meaningless to me.