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Re:Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts by zozbot234 on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @11:24AM (#23478100)
We might want to have a SCTP-based HTTP/4 down the road. That would surely benefit from some fixes on the network side.
Re:Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts by jeffbee on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @11:30AM (#23478171)
See, that will NEVER happen. Completely impractical. SCTP has a different protocol number in the IP datagram header and many devices will either drop or malfunction when faced with protocol numbers they don't understand. UDP and TCP (protocol numbers 6 and 17) are well-supported, by practically all devices.
Re:Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts by anticensor on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @11:35AM (#23478250)
Why not package QUIC in IP directly without UDP in between?
Re:Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts by jlouis on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @12:57PM (#23479324)
UDP is as clean as you can get it. It is more or less free of any overhead. And networks know UDP already. A new IP protocol is far more likely to be rejected in the network.
Re:Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts by tptacek on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @04:18PM (#23481583)
This, exactly; it's the actual reason UDP exists. It's a design smell for anything to ask for a new IP protocol number.
Re:Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts by sagichmal on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @11:43AM (#23478379)
A protocol separate to UDP and TCP altogether would suffer from middlebox interference problems.
Re:Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts by anticensor on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @11:53AM (#23478504)
Aaaa, you mean the problem of -smart- stupid pipes. These do and will exist all the time and this is an opportunity for them to realise how detrimental they do is to Internet.
Re:Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts by sagichmal on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @07:20PM (#23483330)
They're inextricably woven into the fabric of the internet, and unfortunately can't be wished away.