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Re:After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to thi... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @09:28AM (#23476768)
Or, a sense of justice. A powerful emotion in people.

Who know how many more criminals there might be, if punishment was off the table? Recidivism doesn't count that. So there's that social pressure too.

Its pretty easy to figure out 'why punishment', if you try.

Re:After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to thi... by rswail on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @09:44AM (#23476925)
Who knows how many fewer criminals there might be, if social safety nets, providing for people's basic needs of food, shelter, health care and education?

How do you cure homelessness? You provide homes.

How do you deal with mental and physical illness? You provide health care.

How do you give people are path forwards? You provide education.

All of these things are what our societies are for. To carry on about "law and order" and even the "rule of law" without also quoting the part about "promote the general welfare" is to completely miss the purpose.

Re:After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to thi... by SpicyLemonZest on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @09:50AM (#23476984)
We should certainly provide all of those things. But even homeless people, ill people, people with no direction in life can and should avoid committing crimes.
Re:After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to thi... by rfrey on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @09:45AM (#23476942)
It's pretty easy to figure out 'why we shouldn't focus on revenge', if you try.

edit: I may be guilty of not listening to what you're actually saying. If you're saying there is something in the core of people that is delighted by revenge, therefore the current system, I agree. If you are saying that justifies a focus on punishment, I disagree.

Re:After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to thi... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @12:00PM (#23478587)
Not necessary to color everything with the worst adjective at hand. A sense of 'justice' is a thing. Calling it 'revenge' devalues it, and implies a personal component that isn't present.

Justice is the sense that good action will be rewarded, and bad actions will come to a bad end. Not "I'm gonna kill anybody that crosses me!" They are very different, and its not useful discussing this if that is not clear.