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Re:Welcome to the 21st Century: How to Plan for the Post-Cov... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @08:01AM (#23476119)
It has been argued that the 20th century ended with the fall of the Soviet Union, and that the 19th century before it ended with WWI. The 20th century was a "short" century.

9/11 was a spectacular event but did not change anything fundamental and was neither the first nor the last Islamic terrorist attack in the West or on the West/US. In fact, the lid had been removed on Islamic extremism in the 90s, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, even if it had been brewing for quite some time before that: Soviet withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989 (leading to the Talibans seizing power), Algerian Civil War started in 1991, highjacking of Air France flight by Algerian terrorists in 1994 (said to be the blueprint for 9/11), attack on US Embassy in Nairobi in 1998, attack on USS Cole in 2000, etc. I think what 9/11 did is to make the American public catch up with the world they were living in because many of them had not realised yet.

I'm not sure whether Covid-19 will change anything in the long term. It's too early to say. At the moment the main effect seems to be a significant economic downturn, which could have long term consequences, or not.

Re:Welcome to the 21st Century: How to Plan for the Post-Cov... by gonzo41 on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @08:36AM (#23476376)
9/11 resulted in a 20 year war. That's a big deal. 9/11 resulted in a generation of soldiers returning into civic life with serious physical and mental scars from that 20 years. Equality is worse, two nations have been destroyed. There are multiple failed states all over the middle east and north Africa. 9/11 was a really big deal. Everything did change that day.
Re:Welcome to the 21st Century: How to Plan for the Post-Cov... by Juliate on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @09:27AM (#23476746)
9/11 _enabled_ the Bush admin to provoke a war on an unrelated country, which destabilized even further an already complex area.

It's not like it was an automatic consequence. It was a choice.

Re:Welcome to the 21st Century: How to Plan for the Post-Cov... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @08:47AM (#23476453)
If we're discussing events significant enough to be considered in a historical context as having changed things enough to warrant the claim that "the 20th century ended then" then no, 9/11 is not fundamentally significant in my view.

Soldiers sent to war and suffering happen. In itself it is not historically significant, neither is an invasion in itself. You could argue that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was more significant because it fueled islamist extremism and the US backing of Al Qeada... While the US's invasion of Iraq has its root in the 80s and 90s, with 9/11 being only a convenient pretext, and does not seem to be hugely significant historically.

Everything changed when the Berlin Wall fell/the Soviet Union collapsed. The reality is that nothing really changed on 9/11. An emotional perspective is not a historical perspective.

Re:Welcome to the 21st Century: How to Plan for the Post-Cov... by Kye on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @08:53AM (#23476488)
9/11 was significant because of things done in the name of it: endless wars, growth in the surveillance state, militarization of police. Those seem fundamental, and it all happened as a result of 9/11.
Re:Welcome to the 21st Century: How to Plan for the Post-Cov... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @10:16AM (#23477233)
None of what you mention really started with 9/11 or is really significant in a global historical context, and especially if you want to debate when the 20th century ended, which ought to be based on global, key changes.

Edit: Arguing that the 21st century started with 9/11 seems both superficial and American-centric to me, like your reply to this comment below. It misses the big picture, the global context.

Re:Welcome to the 21st Century: How to Plan for the Post-Cov... by Kye on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @10:23AM (#23477299)
The PATRIOT Act was justified with the intelligence failures that led to 9/11. The militarized police get much of their gear from surpluses sold off from the endless wars justified by people no one would challenge because of "with us or against us" rhetoric following 9/11. Their funding comes from bills justified with "terrorism!" cries from people who feared a stranger with a bomb more than a cop with an armored personnel carrier following 9/11.
Re:Welcome to the 21st Century: How to Plan for the Post-Cov... by glogla on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @10:45AM (#23477527)
Yep. 9/11 was what started the return of Fascism and the fall of Western Democracy.