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Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by kerkeslager on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:09AM (#23457153)
> You're seeing an extreme case here. Macbooks are actively breaking other OSes. Better to treat it as: "look how much you can bend Linux to work on a proprietary toaster", rather than "look how hard it is to run Linux on a laptop".

It's true that Macbooks are an extreme case, but as far as I can tell, there is not a laptop which runs Linux out of the box where tinkering won't be necessary.

Let's take another extreme case: I purchased a System76 Galago Pro, which came shipped with PopOS, a Debian-based Linux distro which is maintained by System76 specifically with the intent of providing better hardware support and quality assurance testing. This is the absolute best case scenario for a Linux laptop.

Two months in, I still haven't figured out how to get my webcam working on Zoom calls, and fonts display pixelated despite having a HiDPI screen (equivalent to MacOS Retina). I had to tinker with settings to get audio to not sound muffled, and connecting to WiFi took more tries than can be attributed to network instability (I'm not sure why it started working, to be honest).

To System76's credit, this is the absolute best experience I've ever had with a Linux laptop. Everything else has worked out of the box so far. In competition with other Linux laptops, including Dell systems which come preinstalled with Linux, System76's laptops win unequivocally in my experience. This is no small achievement, and if you're getting a Linux laptop, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them.

But competing with Windows and MacOS, I think this Linux experience is only competitive with the low-end of Windows installations (i.e. cheap netbooks where it's clear the companies didn't spend much time on getting the configuration right). A higher-end Windows laptop or any Mac laptop will require little-to-no tinkering to get things working.

Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by pja on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:52AM (#23457660)
It’s weird, people report all these issues, but in the past I bought Thinkpads for years & they always "just worked". Took a risk & picked up a Dell XPS 13 a couple of years ago, and that "just worked" too.

It’s like I live in parallel universe of Linux hardware support to some of you.

Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by vz8 on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:38PM (#23458700)
Same. Never had an issue with Thinkpads nor Dells of all stripes.

Now the Surface Pro on the other hand, was a disastrous time sink.

Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by mbreese on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:44PM (#23458780)
How does sleep/suspend work? That was always the biggest hangup for me. Although, it's been almost a decade since I last tried. However, a colleague's Dell running Ubuntu was a nightmare. Not sure if it was the model or how he had it set up though.
Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by BTBurke on Monday June 08, 2020 @05:05PM (#23460802)
I have a Dell XPS 13 and have run various flavors of Arch without any problems. I didn't try Ubuntu, however.

Sleep and suspend just work. Battery life is good - typically 5-7 hours. Before this I had no problems with a Thinkpad and even on a MacBook Air (2012).

Maybe I'm just so used to Linux now that I don't notice problems since I've been on it since 1998-ish except for a short stint on OS X.

Dell support is terrible so I can't recommend the XPS. When I had a problem with the battery they wouldn't replace it under warranty since I was not in the country where I bought it, which is total BS.

Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by kerkeslager on Monday June 08, 2020 @08:44PM (#23462431)
I've had a Thinkpad too, and had issues.

A lot of these issues are minor, and easily fixed, so I suspect the "parallel universe" effect is indicative of a willingness to overlook small issues. The font issue I found is hardly critical, for example, and I suspect a lot of developers would just live with it.

Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by viraptor on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:38PM (#23463092)
Once you say something generally works, it's a magnet for "doesn't work for me" responses. "Yeah, just fine for me too" is not really a response worth writing / it's discouraged. Forums are terrible for finding consensus / getting real stats.
Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by cancerSpreads on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:32PM (#23458067)
You have discovered Apple Marketing. Their security and privacy stances are no different.
Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by bluedays on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:37AM (#23457455)
My thinkpad runs Linux and everything works exactly as intended.
Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by dint on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:00PM (#23457738)
Seconding - my X1 Carbon 7 runs Ubuntu with no tinkering whatsoever.
Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by Joeri on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:22PM (#23457973)
My t460p suffers from battery drain issues due to nvidia graphics and intel wifi. Also, the fingerprint sensor requires tinkering after every os upgrade and cannot enroll new fingerprints in linux.
Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by speedgoose on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:50AM (#23457639)
My ThinkPad does not at all.
Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by theevilsharpie on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:07PM (#23457808)
I have two Dell Lattitude series laptops, and they've always worked without issues out-of-the-box (at least with Ubuntu Linux).

I do make sure that the hardware is compatible with Linux beforehand. This typically involves buying prior generation hardware (which works out because you can get them for much less), and avoiding Nvidia hardware entirely.

Re:Running Linux on My MacBook by o-__-o on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:09PM (#23459039)
> there is not a laptop which runs Linux out of the box where tinkering won't be necessary.

Hp x360 requires zero fiddling, works out the box.

Dell precision 5570 requires zero fiddling, works out of the box.

Samsung Chronos 7 requires zero fiddling, works out of the box.

Every laptop in the past 6 years worked with Linux straight out the gate. Including acpi sleep, graphics acceleration, and wireless networking. Compare that to spending 8 hours last night trying to get windows 10 to run on a 7 year old system