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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by Scoundreller on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:52AM (#23456980)
Was also used in N. America. It had many vulnerabilities in every card generation. You could program OEM cards, have man-in-the-middle devices, and full emulators.

You Never needed to actually use the cards for Nagra. But The competitor DTV system built by NDS had an ASIC on the chip, so all solutions required a card at some level. But some setups could use one slave card for multiple receivers. Even over IP.

Fun times!

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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by PoachedSausage on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:47PM (#23458204)
I did not realise that NDS is actually the News Datacom referred to by McCormac in European Scrambling Systems. The wikipedia entry for them makes interesting reading.
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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by Scoundreller on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:36PM (#23458672)
News Digital, but ya, owned (for a while) by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.
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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by ttsda on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:03AM (#23457093)
Those cardsharing schemes still exist today, although they're being cracked down more and more.
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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by jaywalk on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:15AM (#23457197)
Yeah, DirecTV's aggressive legal actions in the early 2000s drove that whole scene very deep underground.
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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by Scoundreller on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:07PM (#23457814)
It’s a funny full circle.

Instead of using OEM receivers and compromised cards, they’ve gone to running emulated receivers and regular full-sub cards.

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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by dillonmckay on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:34PM (#23459330)
Do you have more info on this?

I used to be really into FTA satellite, but have not played with it in awhile.

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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by Scoundreller on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:49PM (#23459492)
Never really played with them hands on. Ubiquitous broadband and streaming services really nailed InternetKeySharing’s coffin.
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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by anthk on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:14AM (#23457191)
Yes, with PICF84 microcontrollers.
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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by Scoundreller on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:06PM (#23457803)
Nagra hacks exclusively ran Atmels. But dunno what chips F cards used. The H cards were the ones that had ASICS.
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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by mytailorisrich on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:29PM (#23458034)
I remember seeing pirate decoders (probably Discret 11, not Nagra, though) at the time, obviously for scientific curiosity only, which used a Motorola microcontroller. I think it may have been a 68HC705.
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