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Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by JamesBarney on Sunday June 07, 2020 @10:02PM (#23452884)
Those CDC numbers are really weird btw. 0.4% of symptomatic cases is like a 0.2-0.3% IFR.

0.3% of the New York City population has already died of corona-virus. So assuming everyone in New York was infected that gives us an IFR of .3%. But if a more realistic 20% of the population was infected then the IFR could be as high as 1.5%.

I tried going through all the most recent research and almost all of it came up with an IFR in the 0.5-1.2% range. And the few that had a lower rate were looking at anti-body tests in places with very low base rates.

Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by in_cahoots on Sunday June 07, 2020 @10:41PM (#23453090)
Maybe the 20% of the population was more susceptible? It seems that the outbreak was concentrated in long-term care facilities, healthcare workers (who received a larger viral load than average), and the poor (who tend to have more pre-existing conditions). If the 20% is not randomly distributed the math can still work out.
Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by JamesBarney on Sunday June 07, 2020 @11:25PM (#23453310)
The math could work out, but if that was true then that means if NYC got 5 times as many infections the number of fatalities would barely change.

I would find that hard to believe and I also doubt they would have enough data to validate that type of hypothesis. We're still guessing at the number of people infected, not to mention how old are they, what pre-existing conditions did they have, how do those pre-existing condition affect Covid-19 mortality in different age groups, what viral load did they receive, etc..

Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by in_cahoots on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:33AM (#23453876)
Fair points! You could probably make an estimate with a stratified approach but if 0.3% have already died there’s no wiggle room for additional deaths.
Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by jakeogh on Sunday June 07, 2020 @11:35PM (#23453358)
Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn...
Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by JamesBarney on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:30AM (#23453571)
Sorry, I don't see the connection.
Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by ashtonkem on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:37AM (#23453899)
An interesting question is this: which 20% got it? A representative sample, or a localized group with unusual risk characteristics, like retirement homes or prisons?