All of those measures are in place in Oakland. Still corralled protestors into a confined space and tear gassed them for over ten minutes while preventing them from running. I guess that's not on the list though.

I'm just trying to figure out why it's bad that police use slack. If we don't want police to be able to communicate, why not just disband them?

Note that I'm not suggesting we disband them. I am just trying to follow the logic.

Sure. We disband the existing police and make a new force based on Peelian principles. After all, maintaining societal peace is valuable.

This is pretty common in lots of things so it's pretty easy to understand. You have an aim you want to achieve (peace), you have a tool that does not achieve that (current police), so you discard the tool and get a new tool.

I really hope you don’t actually think the real world works this way. Police are not a ’tool’ in a vacuum, but rather a massively complex interconnected system influenced by thousands of different external forces. Changing the ’rules’ for them would do nothing.

So you say, but you have no evidence reform is impossible. Whereas nations with police forces not built like authoritarian staatspolizei have lower uses of force, violence, and abuse.

According to HN, everything is impossible. In reality? Going to space didn't have to cost a billion a launch, electric cars weren't impossible, and we can have fibre internet.

For every one of these things, the HN gestalt is that "they're a complex interconnected system influenced by thousands of different external forces". Welp, guess what. Alexander's cut the Gordian Knot. It's clear now that everything is possible and y'all are just hyper risk averse.

> So you say, but you have no evidence reform is impossible. Whereas nations with police forces not built like authoritarian staatspolizei have lower uses of force, violence, and abuse.

> According to HN, everything is impossible. In reality? Going to space didn't have to cost a billion a launch, electric cars weren't impossible, and we can have fibre internet.

Not exactly. It's more like the status quo that serves them is impossible to change because they don't want it changed.

Stereotypical HN likes space and electric cars and hates anything that may disrupt their comfortable sociopolitical station.

You're the one who needs to prove that literally the only change needed in turning America into a peaceful nation is reforming the police code. I thought you guys had - just as examples off the top of my head - nationwide gun, drug and mental health "epidemics", but I guess those are completely moot now.