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Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by unwoundmouse on Friday June 05, 2020 @01:20PM (#23431041)
I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn’t propagate disinformation as much as the next guy, but this is a strawman. Nowhere in the book does it say anything about Bill Gates behind covid, or any similarly ludicrous conspiracies. The book mentioned appears to be reasonable and fact based.
Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by miguelmota on Friday June 05, 2020 @01:23PM (#23431096)
> fact based

Does it represent both sides of the controversy equally or is it only nitpicked facts?

Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by nmakow on Friday June 05, 2020 @01:29PM (#23431198)
When did we forfeit our ability to think critically and judge sources on our own?
Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by JPKab on Friday June 05, 2020 @04:26PM (#23433563)
In the minds of the political elites, when Trump won the 2016 election.

I hate the guy as much as anyone. My wife was crying. It was a shock.

The DNC could have examined why they lost the key swing states by the thin margins they did in a deep, meaningful way. But that would have required acknowledging mistakes made by their highly paid political consultants and their own power brokers. But who wants to be the person to admit they screwed up and lost to a tangerine/chicken strip/cheetoh?

"Nah, let's just blame the Russians. They hacked our emails, they put out ridiculous lies on social media..... yeah, that's it.... the Russians and dumb morons who believed them."

At that moment, the party that has always defended civil liberties, always fought censorship by the right wing theocrats, suddenly decided it was just too dangerous to have uncensored speech. They pointed the finger at Twitter and Facebook, and threatened them. They whipped up the tech employees, making them feel responsible for the tangerine, when it was their own horror show of a primary process that doomed them.

What's really weird is that if you think about it, the people who they think need curated, safe, censored information are the people who voted for Obama in 2012, but voted for Trump in 2016, or stayed home. They think their own voters in 2012 are too dumb to weed out misinformation themselves.

Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by perl4ever on Friday June 05, 2020 @09:36PM (#23436026)
Do you currently think COVID-19 is a problem outside NYC?
Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by JPKab on Saturday June 06, 2020 @10:08AM (#23439273)
It's a problem. One that requires a lockdown? Doubtful.

We will find out soon, since these protests were vastly larger than the ones against the lockdown (you remember how the media talked about how dangerous those ones were due to covid19, but immediately ignored that when the protest was something that they personally support). Yeah, the virus doesn't care whether your protest is journalist approved.

I know you know that, and I'm wondering if you think the protests are going to cause a large spike in infections?

Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by perl4ever on Saturday June 06, 2020 @10:50AM (#23439569)
98% of new cases in the US yesterday were outside of the five boroughs of NYC.[1&4] Right now, most of NY is reopening[2]. In the meantime, California and Texas are seeing significantly more daily new cases than NY state; CA more than double[3] Internationally, Brazil[1] has started regularly producing daily new case counts that are ~50% more than the US (Brazil is a smaller country that so far has had fewer cases and deaths).

I don't expect anyone will be able to definitively identify the effect of protests in the context of imminent or continuing reopening of much of the country.

[1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[2] https://forward.ny.gov/

[3] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[4] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/

Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by JPKab on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:07PM (#23442666)
What's the positive cases per test rate? I'm assuming that is going up, which is bad.

The one admittedly lagging indicator that I'm watching is hospitalized cases.

So far that's ok, and ideally you could possibly have an increase in positive cases throughout a population without more hospitalizations if high risk people isolate themselves. But yeah, hope it doesn't go sideways.

Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by perl4ever on Saturday June 06, 2020 @08:00PM (#23443458)
The site I posted indicates that there are almost 20 tests in the US for every new case, while there was only one test for every three cases in Brazil. Probably the latter ratio is not very representative without averaging over a longer period of time. However, it seems clear from the total test counts that Brazil has had more than an order of magnitude fewer tests per capita than in the US, and I am reasonably certain that the numbers indicate they are overwhelmed and the reported cases are the ones that they cannot attribute to anything else, so probably undercounted.

Here's something to think about - total cases for the world were up about 2% yesterday. US cases were up a little over 20K. If US cases were increasing at the average rate of the whole world, it would have been closer to 40K. Similar story in Europe, but more so; there more than half of the new cases are in Russia. So considering Western Europe, the epidemic has been greatly reduced and is growing elsewhere.

What's happening very quickly is that Asia and South America are now having a disproportionate amount of the new cases, even with China, Japan and S. Korea reporting almost none. And the spread is happening in countries where the testing capacity is relatively low.

If the lockdowns had had no effect, I can't see how to explain the dramatic shift over the last month in where the new cases are.

The general reaction of authorities to the epidemic seems to me very similar to an immune reaction. You have a strong initial reaction to an infection, and then it moderates. Earlier is better, but either too much or too little can kill you. Once it is slowed, you can go back to a relatively normal metabolism.

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Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by JPKab on Saturday June 06, 2020 @10:18AM (#23439343)
Comments made days ago in other threads were suddenly downvoted by people who clicked on my name and decided to downvote every comment I had made based off of this one note that states the same thing that folks like Matt Taibbi have been saying.

And yes, I think it helps Trump. I think the rioting will help him, and the extreme viewpoint of defunding police that BLM is pushing will help him.

If I see Biden get above 50%, I will rest easier, but not seeing it.

Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by brendoelfrendo on Friday June 05, 2020 @01:43PM (#23431421)
Which controversy? Why are both sides worthy of equal representation?
Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by miguelmota on Friday June 05, 2020 @06:43PM (#23434840)
The lockdown controversy. And I was asking a question, not saying it needed to be that way.
Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by unwoundmouse on Friday June 05, 2020 @01:25PM (#23431118)
Are you saying we should censor information if it only represents one perspective?
Re:Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns by miguelmota on Friday June 05, 2020 @06:38PM (#23434816)
No. That's not what I’m saying at all.