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Re:Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaul... by taneq on Thursday June 04, 2020 @02:23AM (#23413213)
When we talk about 'rent seeking' it's usually not about actual rental of property, which fills a very real need in society.

Maybe it's different in other parts of the world but where I live, rent seldom covers the mortgage on a property, let alone all other expenses. The profit, if any, generally comes from capital gains when selling the property (which right now isn't on the cards for pretty much anyone.)

Re:Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaul... by luckylion on Thursday June 04, 2020 @02:48AM (#23413389)
For Germany, the profits usually come from rent itself as well as capital gains, at least in the cities.

I'm a member and live in a housing complex owned by a cooperative. The rent you'll pay in this kind of setting is at the lower end of the market, the services you get are at the upper end. Being a cooperative means I own shares, so I get dividends and balance sheets etc. Even with this great (for renters) setup, they still pay out 4% dividends and expand like crazy (not to produce more dividends but to provide more apartments). They could pay out much more than 4% but they don't want to optimize for profit and make it an investment, the dividends are meant to incentivize members to invest/save more than legally required.

The place I lived at previously had higher rents and less services. I don't know how much of a profit they made annually, but I'm sure it wasn't anywhere close to 4%.

Re:Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaul... by benplumley on Thursday June 04, 2020 @03:23AM (#23413650)
> rent seldom covers the mortgage on a property

Don't forget that "covering the mortgage" involves building the landlord's equity, so it's not as if this portion is lost to the bank while the landlord has to depend on appreciation. If I "only just cover the mortgage" while renting for the entire term of the mortgage on a house that doesn't appreciate above inflation, the landlord still goes from owning 20% of a house to 100% of a house over that term.

Re:Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaul... by taneq on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:17AM (#23415125)
True but there are a lot of additional costs (maintenance, council rates, depreciation) to owning a house on top of the mortgage. Again only speaking for myself but I have a small rental property and the rent basically only covers the interest plus expenses.