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Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by KarlKemp on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @10:39PM (#23411739)
Sweden has the highest per-capita rate of deaths from COVID.

In Sweden, 4,500 people have died. In neighbouring Norway, 237 people died. Even adjusted for population, Sweden has 10x the deaths.

I'm a scientist as well and my math skills say their strategy sucks.

Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by matz1 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @10:52PM (#23411813)
4500 out of 10 million ? 0.045% not bad considering Sweden doesn't do lock down. I wish more country adapt Sweden approach.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by erikstarck on Thursday June 04, 2020 @01:25AM (#23412812)
It’s not like there are no interventions at all in Sweden. I haven’t been at the office since early March. People are restricted in traveling and crowds over 50 people are forbidden etc.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by notahacker on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:36AM (#23414510)
And perhaps most significantly of all, people with the disease in outbreak areas aren't travelling to Sweden in large numbers like they were to the UK before it was forced into aborting the 'Swedish strategy'. The other side of that coin is that Sweden isn't forecasting better economic performance this year than the countries which had bailouts.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by KarlKemp on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @10:55PM (#23411828)
They haven't stopped dying, though: Yesterday, Sweden had 74 deaths. Norway, meanwhile, hasn't had a single death in 9 days.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by alkonaut on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:07AM (#23413952)
> Yesterday, Sweden had 74 deaths.

That's a pretty noisy value since sunday reported zero. Because there is no weekend reporting, a 7 day average is better. That average is around 45.

Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by tephra on Thursday June 04, 2020 @02:42AM (#23413348)
Actually on the 3rd of June there was 1 death attributed to COVID-19. This is very likely to increase as we get more confirmations and backfills the data. The other 73 deaths reported are confirmed cases for other days.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by microtherion on Thursday June 04, 2020 @09:48AM (#23416484)
Yes, the data is very noisy, and yes, much of it is backfill, but elementary queuing theory suggests that if deaths by reporting date keep oscillating around the same level, deaths by occurrence date will eventually converge to that level as well.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by matz1 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:00PM (#23411856)
Depends on how much more they have, if their hospital is not overwhelmed, its acceptable.

>Norway, meanwhile, hasn't had a single death in 9 days

But Norway has lockdown ? of course its a trade off

Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by kwhitefoot on Thursday June 04, 2020 @09:35AM (#23416324)
> But Norway has lockdown ?

No it doesn't. We have prohibitions on large gatherings but private individuals may come and go as they please, visit each other's houses, etc.

Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by prepend on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @10:48PM (#23411787)
Finland also only has 300 deaths.

Sweden is not the highest in Europe, per capita, it’s fifth [0]. So it’s pretty bad out of 31 countries but better than Belgium.

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-deat...

Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by timwaagh on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:05PM (#23411887)
Lies greater lies and statistics... Belgium counts people who die in nursing homes as covid 19 deaths. They say Belgiums figure would be twice as small if they counted the way others did. Removing that anomaly the only countries higher are Spain, Italy and UK. The first two were hit very hard very early and the last had similar issues as Sweden, reacting very late.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by oxymoron on Thursday June 04, 2020 @03:06AM (#23413533)
So does Sweden. The public health agency also reports weekly on excess deaths. About 80% of excess deaths are captured in the official COVID-19 statistics.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by specialist on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:14PM (#23411954)
Yup. All discussions should also include excess deaths.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by tyldum on Thursday June 04, 2020 @01:39AM (#23412933)
The thing is, at least in Norway, less people than normal have died since COVID-19... So there is no excess.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by specialist on Thursday June 04, 2020 @09:27AM (#23416261)
Then they would report negative excess deaths. That's important information.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by nfc on Thursday June 04, 2020 @01:33AM (#23412882)
This is the only source I've found to easily compare those https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by timc3 on Thursday June 04, 2020 @01:53AM (#23413047)
I’ve been wondering if you take population density into account where that would put the figures as UK has much higher population density than Sweden
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by dep_b on Friday June 05, 2020 @05:25AM (#23426559)
I can't imagine the Belgians being that much more inefficient than the Dutch. I always felt because of the lack of testing in The Netherlands the numbers are probably a bit higher. Until the 1st of June testing was extremely limited even for people that had all of the symptoms.
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by kalleboo on Thursday June 04, 2020 @01:28AM (#23412840)
Sweden has also been very good at counting deaths, there was a New York Times report that compared excess deaths and Sweden was the only region where reported COVID-19 deaths actually outnumbered excess deaths
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by kgwgk on Thursday June 04, 2020 @02:52AM (#23413422)
The "negative excess" was due to reporting lags, repeating the NYT analysis with up-to-date data for that period there are actually "unexplained" deaths. But it actually seems they make a better job at counting than some other European countries (maybe not as good as Belgium, I don't know).
Re:Anders Tegnell defends Sweden's virus approach by timwaagh on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:00PM (#23411855)
Yeah being nice is all well and good but the results more or less speak for themselves. I hope they at least got some echo economic benefit out of it. It surprised me to see a country where politicians don't make this call. More surprising to see that the result turned out like this.