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Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by 0xffff2 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @09:06PM (#23411153)
I wonder how many hops it will actually remove. I just tested it, and from my apartment in Mountain View, CA to my VPS in a data center ~20 miles away in Fremont, CA I get 14(!) hops.
Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by dahfizz on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @09:16PM (#23411220)
> I wonder how many hops it will actually remove.

Hopefully a lot! Fun fact, IPv4 and IPv6 have a maximum network size. Because of the TTL field in v4 (renamed max hops in v6), a path through an IP network can never be more than 255 hops long.

Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by tinus_hn on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:46AM (#23414213)
Hops are artificial, as long as you are 100% sure you’re not introducing loops you can just tell routers not to decrease the TTL and they’ll be invisible.

It’s just that if you do that and you do introduce a loop the packets will keep looping and the network will very quickly overflow.

Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by xxpor on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @09:24PM (#23411283)
You can tunnel though, so the actual amount of hops could be infinite. Routers can also rewrite the field.
Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by dahfizz on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @09:46PM (#23411416)
And just like NAT with IPv4, we will use hacks to get around implementing a proper solution for decades (and counting).

With satellite internet taking off, and actual interest in extraterrestrial colonies from e.g. NASA and SpaceX, I think we need a proper space communication protocol. Maybe it can all be solved in L2, but I think we will soon be looking at 255 hops the way we look at the limited address space of v4.

Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by nitrogen on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @09:54PM (#23411462)
It seems people are working on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Internet
Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by AdrianoKF on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:32AM (#23414485)
Interesting (but probably not too surprising) to see that DTN research is alive and kicking!

I wrote a short seminar paper on DTN protocols as an undergrad in '09, so thanks for the trip down memory lane!

Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by rmdashrfstar on Thursday June 04, 2020 @02:04AM (#23413110)
Thanks for posting this, reading about all the progress made with delay tolerant networking is exciting!
Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by kbenson on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @10:36PM (#23411715)
It's all about peering. Once they're in more exchanges, and it becomes cost effective to set up peering with them, more traffic will reach them directly asdifferent providers set up peering to both reduce costs across other links and provide better access.
Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by aeyes on Thursday June 04, 2020 @12:52AM (#23412549)
It all depends on peering, I get 13 hops to some networks in Europe which is some 12.000km away from here (7500 freedom units).
Re:SpaceX Starlink is now its own ASN and present at the Sea... by shaklee3 on Friday June 05, 2020 @01:07AM (#23425263)
Mentioned above, but it won't. The hops are up and down to boats instead of routers.