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Re:Declining worker power vs. rising monopoly power: explain... by gnicholas on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @02:37PM (#23407027)
> There is nothing inherent in "basic economics" that postulates that fulfilling or fun jobs pay less

It's called 'psychic income', and it is something that people will accept, to some extent, as a substitute for cash comp.

This is widely cited as the reason that teachers earn less than other professions, and why garbage collectors earn more. There are a lot of people who enjoy teaching, and not a lot who enjoy garbage collecting.

https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo_pub_econstat_wp_5...

Re:Declining worker power vs. rising monopoly power: explain... by willcipriano on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @04:07PM (#23408027)
>This is widely cited as the reason that teachers earn less than other professions, and why garbage collectors earn more.

Looks like the median pay for garbage collectors is $37,840[0] and for teachers it is $59,420[1]

[0]https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537081.htm

[1]https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/mobil...

Re:Declining worker power vs. rising monopoly power: explain... by gnicholas on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @04:42PM (#23408445)
Is there any required credentialing for for garbage collectors? Teachers need to have a bachelors degree and a teaching credential, in most cases.
Re:Declining worker power vs. rising monopoly power: explain... by learc83 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @04:48PM (#23408515)
That's true but the OP just destroyed the only supporting evidence you provided for your point. It might be that teacher's salaries would be below $37k if it didn't require credentialing, but that's not the case, so it's not evidence.
Re:Declining worker power vs. rising monopoly power: explain... by OrangeKnucles on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @07:34PM (#23410374)
The OP did not destroy the supporting evidence.
Re:Declining worker power vs. rising monopoly power: explain... by learc83 on Thursday June 04, 2020 @06:49AM (#23414930)
How so? The only supporting evidence provided was garbage collectors make more than teachers. The OP posted a link showing that's not true.
Re:Declining worker power vs. rising monopoly power: explain... by gnicholas on Thursday June 04, 2020 @12:00PM (#23418328)
I never said that teachers should make less than garbage collectors because they enjoy psychic income. These two jobs are not generally substitutable in the eyes of potential employees, since they are so different. Sorry if I gave the impression that any job that enjoys psychic income would pay less than any other job — certainly this is not true.

For example, college professors receive psychic income, but they make much more than garbage collectors. They make less than stock brokers, which is another career option available to people who can get PhDs, in general.

Re:Declining worker power vs. rising monopoly power: explain... by learc83 on Thursday June 04, 2020 @02:24PM (#23419996)
>Sorry if I gave the impression that any job that enjoys psychic income would pay less than any other job — certainly this is not true.

That's not the impression you gave. You gave the impression that garbage collectors make more than teachers.

>This is widely cited as the reason that teachers earn less than other professions, and why garbage collectors earn more

Teachers < other professions < garbage collectors

I get now that you meant to say was

Teachers < similar professions to teachers

Garbage collectors > similar professions to garbage collectors

I've heard many arguments that teacher make less than X profession, so the former wasn't an unreasonable interpretation given the phrasing.

Knowing what you meant to say. I don't think garbage collector pay is good supporting evidence for psychic income. Garbage collector pays well because it is a physically unpleasant job. What's an example of a substitute job that is similarly physically unpleasant that pays less because people find it fulfilling?