It wasn't ever going to be IP theft, corporate espionage or anything like that. The CCP has made it clear they have no will to enforce anything like that. Most likely, most of Huawei's behavior is state sanctioned anyways. They have close but opaque connections to the government, and China has been known to support domestic industries with government actions.

Pretty much the only way they were ever going to be punished is if they did something like this.

> The CCP has made it clear they have no will to enforce anything like that.

Could you point me to an official statement to that effect? Patent infringement lawsuits in China definitely paint a different picture: foreign companies are more likely to win and awarded higher damages than Chinese companies: https://patentlyo.com/patent/2018/02/things-infringement-lit...

"Could you point me to an official statement to that effect?" LMAO - are you for real? That article still doesn't exactly paint a rosey picture - and that's if you can believe the numbers they release. If they are willing to lie substantially about something as serious as a virus do you seriously think they are going to be 100% transparent about something that could wreak their economy?

Those are not "numbers they release". They are statistics collected by a researcher who read court proceedings of 1663 patent infringement cases decided in China in 2014. (EDIT: Originally said "all" cases and "between 2014 and 2018". As virtue3 points out below, that was incorrect). It's not something that can be manipulated by just changing a number in a spreadsheet.

See Chao Ma, Xiaohong Yu & Haibo He, Data Analysis: Report on the Publication of Chinese Judicial Decisions on the Internet, China Law Review 12(4), 2016: 208. (Table 10 lists the ratios of the number of judicial documents of each province publicly available on CJO to the number of cases adjudicated in each province, ranging from 15.17% to 78.14%.)

So cherry-picked cases that range from 15-78% of the data set.

1.6k patent cases over multiple years seems -extremely- low to me. The USA has roughly 3-4x that per year. https://law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Revised-...

Doesn't the US have a huge problem with IP trolls? It's really hard to get an accurate figure when the US can just issue IPs like it's no one's business and can to go to court to dispute these equally as easily. At least here in Europe, it's a lot more difficult to file for patents, I've not found any conclusive numbers, but if you can extrapolate from these numbers here I would say that the US is the outlyer rather than the norm https://www.simmons-simmons.com/en/publications/ck0d2ofe9u6d...

> So cherry-picked cases that range from 15-78% of the data set.

That's a fair point, although what kind of case would be a "cherry" is not clear to me. Both a foreign company winning (implying that patent infringement happened) and losing (possibly feeding suspicion that the judicial system is biased against foreigners) could end up making China look bad.

> 1.6k patent cases over multiple years seems -extremely- low to me.

My mistake. When I checked the blog post by the author of the paper for a date range, I thought it was since 2014 (and until publication in 2018), but actually those cases were all in 2014. (See page 10 of the paper.)

And the Chinese court system isn't rule by Law.. it's easily manipulated by outside influence and personal opinions. I wouldn't trust any conviction results from their court systems.

> They have close but opaque connections to the government,

You could say this of the US too; SV is almost blatant about this.

It's actually the opposite: SV lobbies the US govt, but China dictates what their companies do.

Al Capone went down on tax evasion scheme, nothing else.

Didnt we sanction Iran for no reason? Seems the right thing to do is ignore US sanctions when seeing unjust actions.

>Seems the right thing to do is ignore US sanctions when seeing unjust actions.

Just like with breaking any laws, including those you deem to be "unjust", don't be surprised when you get hit with very expected legal consequences for doing so.

I mean as a country... during the covid period China sent tons of medical supplies to help sanctioned Iran. I also don't think we should lock up the execs at the medical supply manufacturing companies because they were doing the just thing.

I think most of the countries on the planet should start to ignore these US sanctions when they are based on nonsense, especially when the underlying reasons are "regime change" related. Start routing around the SWIFT system as well.

Two things:

One, medical masks don't seem to fall under the sanctions (according to the quick wikipedia article skimming I just did [0]), especially since they were donated, so it seems perfectly fine and legal.

Two, according to the same article, EU also has sanctions against Iran (with some differences from sanctions imposed by the US), so it is unfair to say that the US is the sole country posing those sanctions.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions_agains...

> EU also has sanctions against Iran

Not sure exactly which (though I guess there are). Nonetheless, after the JCPOA was signed, EU companies had restarted doing business worth billions with Iran. So the current complete freeze of EU commercial exchanges whit Iran in entirely due to the threat of sanctions from the US (that is, sanctions against EU companies, not against Iran).

There is a wikipedia article regarding EU sanctions on Iran [0].

There is also another list of resolutions imposed by UN on Iran, with some of them being sanctions as well [1]. UN Security Council resolution #1929 specifically seems to be very relevant:

>[...] prohibit the opening of Iranian banks on their territory and prevent Iranian banks from entering into relationship with their banks if it might contribute to the nuclear program, and prevent financial institutions operating in their territory from opening offices and accounts in Iran. The resolution passed by a vote of 12–2, with Turkey and Brazil voting against and Lebanon abstaining. A number of countries imposed measures to implement and extend these sanctions, including the United States, the European Union, Australia, Canada, Japan, Norway, South Korea, and Russia.

0.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93European_Union_re...

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolut...

The EU sanctions listed in the wikipedia article are quite old, as the JCPOA came in force in 2016. As for the UN resolution, it's strange that you quote UN resolution 1929 from 2010, when resolution 2231 from 2015 is summarised as "lifted all previous sanctions on Iran provided that Iran remains in compliance with its responsibilities in the nuclear deal". Which Iran has (at least until very recently and anyway well after the US had reneged on the agreement and the EU had shown to be unwilling or unable to stick to it- because of US sanctions on EU companies).

I think you might want to ask yourself why they don't. Ås much as people whine about America. Trust is needed between countries at this level. I feel like America is calling the world's bluff. They are saying if you trust china so much Europe go partner with them we'll be ok.

But why would you surprised to be arrested? It's a rule of law country it can't ignore big transgression of the law. The right thing would be to do no business with America or with American companies. Many companies that do not agree with American laws do this.

Just don’t lie. Still wonder why use hsbc (and charter). Rmb ?