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Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by onion2k on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:55AM (#23399869)
The second clip I've looked at claims "The Police try to break up the peaceful protest by resorting to hitting individuals with batons.".

What ACTUALLY happens is that they cut out all context of what led up to the situation, and cut in to a point where anybody with half a brain could see that the cops had been giving lawful orders for rioters to disperse, for what was probably a long time, they're on a loudspeaker giving them lawful orders to disperse, warning them that if they don't disperse force will be used against them, they decide to ignore lawful orders, and force is used against them to make them disperse.

The way the headline makes it sound, they were just nice peaceful protesters, not causing any problems, and police just rolled in and started beating them.

Protest is legal, and ignoring a "lawful police order" is also legal. The police can't just tell people what to do. Neither of those things warrant being assaulted by a police officer. Your own description of what happened is that the police used force to disperse peaceful protestors, which is obviously unacceptable.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by jcims on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:18AM (#23400044)
> Protest is legal, and ignoring a "lawful police order" is also legal. The police can't just tell people what to do.

This is a pretty thin hair to split. The police can’t ‘tell you what to do’, but the law can and part of the job of the police is to communicate and enforce the law.

Anyone going to a protest is definitely advised to understand their rights at the local, state and federal level so you can differentiate between the two.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by TheGrim-888 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:04AM (#23399952)
"The police can't just tell people what to do"

What world do you live in? I could just go on a murder spree and when police come to arrest me I can just tell them "you can't tell me what to do", and they'll say "shucks, he's right, guess we'll let him on his way".

By the way, you're being doublespeaky when you say "protest is legal". It sure is. But the vast majority of these altercations come from after a group has been declared a riot, a public safety hazard, and ordered to disperse. They're no longer peaceful protesters when the cops have to use force to shut it down.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by adjkant on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:13AM (#23400013)
> But the vast majority of these altercations come from after a group has been declared a riot

This is typically after police have antagonized the situation and created it through tactics like kettling and surrounding protesters and then throwing grenades of tear gas and misusing rubber bullets in potentially lethal ways on nonviolent crowds.

"declared a riot" is political speak for when the police don't like a protest and begin attacking.

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Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by dannyw on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:28AM (#23400123)
Yes, that’s 100% correct. There is an overabundance of documented evidence that police all around America are declaring completely peaceful protests riots and responding with force.

Here is a video of the recent Seattle protest from an aerial view. There’s no escaping this. https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by adjkant on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:27AM (#23400115)
You can find the videos yourself of this happening over many many cities. I'm not going to do that work for someone clearly not trying to understand in good faith.

You say this like it's a conspiracy when there are clear maligned motives for cops to approach these things in this manner, as well as a history of it.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:46AM (#23400234)
> In your mind, cops really just see a peaceful protest and just decide to start fucking with them?

Sometimes, but not often.

More often, when there is a gross “overreaction”, it's a calculated attempt to suppress the message of the protestors, coordinated by leadership and instigated by various means including feeding false intelligence to the cops on the line that distorts their interpretation of facts.

But in the case of race-related issues it's often much worse than that, and this is apparently the case now. The infiltration of American law enforcement agencies by white supremacists is long-documented, there is, at the moment, an active white supremacist effort to trigger a race war, and the President of the United States is actively using language invoking historical racist government violence, and directly initiating violence against peaceful protestors. This isn't impulsive police violence, or merely violence as instrumental to winning a political debate, this is a (mostly loosely) coordinated campaign of racist violence where the violence and the harms it inflicts is, itself, a goal, and not just a callously accepted cost of some other end.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by huntertwo on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @03:32AM (#23400919)
That is exactly what is happening. Wake up and stop being in denial. There’s a repo with videos that show you exactly this.
Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by fzeroracer on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:26AM (#23400106)
Can you explain what the cops [1] were doing to this car and what is their rationale for destroying someone else's property? Was the car resisting arrest?

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv2ogk/news_ch...

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by natrik on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @04:20AM (#23401197)
/u/StruggleBus67 -7 points 18 hours ago

>Tinted windows, have to verify not occupied, 200$ insurance claim vs. potential gun in the back of your neck, stop being ignorant

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by onion2k on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:22AM (#23400072)
The police have limited powers to uphold the law, including things like arresting murderers. They don't have the power to arbitrarily order people to do whatever they want. If an officer asks you to do something when you're not committing a crime or endangering anyone you are allowed to say no.

For all Americans talk about having rights and freedom you do seem incredibly quick to give them up in the face of authority.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by TheGrim-888 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:28AM (#23400125)
I fully expect police officers in the United States to be able to give lawful orders to disperse rioters and prevent our cities from looting and destruction.

If you don't want to be told what to do, don't riot, loot, and destroy.

If you're trying to say that our citizens can just burn our cities down, and there's nothing that can be legally done about it, I really don't understand you.

In all the clips you see, they're no longer peaceful protesters. All of the clips cut out all of the context. That's the piece you're missing. Peaceful protests happen every day and the police don't order them to disperse. Police only order them to disperse when they've become a public safety hazard.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by nsilvestri on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:47AM (#23400246)
As someone who has taken part in DC protests, we were gassed, pepper sprayed, stun grenaded, and shot with pellets in order for the president to take a photo at a church. It is incredibly naïve and downright incorrect to suggest that the police are _only_ intervening during "public safety hazards".
Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by arel on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:54AM (#23400286)
> All of the clips cut out all of the context

Categorically false

There are hundreds of videos showing the police brutalising peaceful protest. Watch them.

Single example - How about peaceful protestors at the Whitehouse being tear gassed, batoned and charged to make way for the president's photo op?

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by sukilot on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @02:12AM (#23400396)
The USPP explained that it was pepper balls and smoke bombs, not tear gas.
Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by fzeroracer on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @03:07AM (#23400758)
This is objectively wrong as multiple people confirmed it was in fact tear gas [1]. The USPP was lying.

[1] https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/1267824405876359173

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by ebg13 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:52AM (#23400272)
Context. https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...

Or maybe you think that holding an umbrella wrong is reason to gas and throw explosives at an entire crowd of people.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by newacct583 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:04AM (#23399957)
> The police can't just tell people what to do.

Well, to be clear: they can. Courts have given police very wide latitude on what they're allowed to compel from the public in the execution of their duties. This is sort of the problem.

That said, your second point is really the meat here. Faced with civilians refusing their orders, it is not appropriate for the police to resort to any and all means to compel obediance. No one thinks it is. Especially conservatives, under normal circumstances (who, it seems, are a little confused right now).

I mean... most of the same people who two weeks ago were all "You can't tell I'm supposed to stay at home, that's tyranny!" are now all of a sudden all "You can't stay in that park if the president wants to be there! You should be tear gassed![1]"

[1] Excuse me: "pepper balls", which is totally not the same thing because it disperses a fine suspended powder and never enters a gas phase.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by gremlinsinc on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @03:41AM (#23400971)
What do you think they'd say if they were hit by pepper spray and tear gas at the next anti-lockdown rally?
Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by read_if_gay_ on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:02AM (#23399926)
> The police can't just tell people what to do.

That’s like the whole point of the police.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by adjkant on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:17AM (#23400036)
It's called abuse of power. Police should be enforcing laws, not their own will. Police 100% cannot tell people to do anything. The issue is the law is not good at defining these things, leading to this exact issue of mass scale police brutality. If you think the police have that much latitude in their power, you're missing the entire point of the protests.
Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @03:55AM (#23401044)
No it is not. The police are there to uphold the law, not dictate what people do.

If someone's protesting they are exercising their rights and the police has no right to intervene. If someone is looting however, sure, then they can step in - with appropriate force, which in most cases does not involve shooting them in the face.

Re:A Git Repo to Document Police Brutality During the 2020 G... by read_if_gay_ on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @04:01AM (#23401075)
Yes. Upholding the law necessarily involves telling people what to do. They cannot arbitrarily tell people what to do, but that’s not what I was arguing.