Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by thebean11 on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:44PM (#23384947)

Blaming outside instigators is a common tactic for downplaying unrest.

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I agree Russia does run campaigns with the purpose of sowing tensions, but I'm very skeptical of any causality between Russia and the movement, protests, or riots.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by alexpetralia on Monday June 01, 2020 @07:06PM (#23385134)

#dcBlackout was trending on Twitter last night. How do you explain that? There were _tons_ of accounts I saw (many with Korean/Chinese avatars, which were probably fronts) that were spreading the same misinformation, often were a shrill tone of panic and conspiracy.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-dc-blackout-pro...

For the curious, this is called a Sybil attack.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by thrwaway69 on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @01:05AM (#23387650)

Boi the replies.

https://twitter.com/DMVBlackLives/status/1267521033273323520...

https://twitter.com/VictoriaSanchez/status/12674378765198622...

I am wondering if all those are bots or propaganda accounts. A sufficiently trained GPT2 model could tweet the same.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by mr_spothawk on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @01:44AM (#23387891)

was thinking maybe it was content targetted at a non-us audience. could see deploying bots in open disinfo op, tho.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by thebean11 on Monday June 01, 2020 @07:15PM (#23385208)

Like I said, I'm not arguing that the foreign misinformation campaigns don't exist. I'm just skeptical that the protests and riots wouldn't be happening regardless.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by ngold on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:49PM (#23384991)

If there is unrest it is easy to stoke from anywhere. You have Marx living in london, lenin hanging out in germany.

The point is. An under served population can be insighted with ideas from anywhere. But the root cause is still there in that community.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by sukilot on Monday June 01, 2020 @07:56PM (#23385553)

"Underserved"? The US President retweets anonymous fake account misinformation. Almost anyone can be incited by convenient disinformation.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by nbardy on Monday June 01, 2020 @07:11PM (#23385180)

China an Russia have been stirring up American discourse aggressively through the internet for years. They would most certainly seize on an opportunity like this. The incident is ultimately caused in the US, but it's for sure going to have its flamed stoked by foreign actors. They don't build there systems for one off attacks. They have weapons of war.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by sukilot on Monday June 01, 2020 @07:57PM (#23385558)

China, Russia, and also the US President.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by boomboomsubban on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:41PM (#23384912)

The US is by far the most likely hostile state actor. They are the ones that benefit from the protesters being seen as more radical and destructive than they are, while Russia or China would be working towards hypothetical future benefits.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by bravo22 on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:44PM (#23384950)

The media and the government are both very clear that there are fringe elements (both far-left and far-right) infiltrating the protests and trying to derail the efforts. So everyone is going out of their way to separate protesting from looting.

The only place I see where there is concentrated effort to equate protestors and rioting is on the twitter left.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by boomboomsubban on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:49PM (#23384998)

Luckily it's only those "fringe elements" that are getting tear gassed, attacked with rubber bullets and batons, or being arrested. As both the media and the government have stated they are the problem.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by bravo22 on Monday June 01, 2020 @09:35PM (#23386279)

The fringe elements are blending into the crowds. The poor protestors are getting gassed. Let's not create this narrative that the majority of protestors are out to loot and damage property. They're not. And most of the ones who are causing damage aren't black.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by boomboomsubban on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @12:42AM (#23387540)

>Let's not create this narrative that the majority of protestors are out to loot and damage property.

It doesn't matter who is looting or causing damage to property if their actions are being used to justify retaliation against every protester.

Separating the "fringe elements is being done by the media and the government to allow more authoritarian responses. It is not being done out of goodwill for the law abiding protesters.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by bravo22 on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @02:18AM (#23388127)

I think it does matter. This is an issue that is affecting black people. White people who are protesting should be doing it to support them, not to hijack their movement and running it how they see fit.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by boomboomsubban on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @02:59AM (#23388409)

Why would it matter who hijacked a movement the moment before it is forcibly ended? These "fringe elements" don't matter, what's important is what started these protests and what is being done to silence them.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by mc32 on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:48PM (#23384987)

Who in the US wins? Not the people. Not the pols. Maybe nebulous people with agendas...

I mean it doesn’t help Trump. He’s kind taking a hands off approach so far.

But it also doesn’t help Biden. He hasn’t said peep. He’s holed up and keeping quiet.

It would help countries the US is nettling but I’m not sure China has much to gain (maybe tit for tat re Hong Kong) Russia? The whole story was they colluded with Trump... so now they want him to lose to Biden? Whaaaa...

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by boomboomsubban on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @12:45AM (#23387554)

The people in power win, they get more justification for ending this little resistance using more extreme methods.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by aspenmayer on Monday June 01, 2020 @07:16PM (#23385216)

If nothing else, Russia would benefit from the transition period slightly, and may prefer shorter presidential terms to longer ones generally for this reason. However, since Biden has been VP before, he would be able to get up to speed quicker than some.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by qq11ww22ee33 on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:55PM (#23385046)

Are the police deliberately attacking peaceful protests which causes the protestors to attack back? No, it's the Russians which are at fault.

Not to mention, how is this relevant at all to the linked post?

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by celticninja on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:48PM (#23384986)

or you know there is genuine unrest. have you seen some of the videos of US policing in response these protests? no need to Stoke fires when the the US police are doing it for you

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by simion314 on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:38PM (#23384876)

It is also a very human thing to find someone else to blame for your faults, especially when elections are around the corner.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by joe_the_user on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:40PM (#23384895)

Your claim has nothing to do with this alleged hack.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by xenospn on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:39PM (#23384883)

I think you're absolutely right. It's easy, too - fake a few Antifa tweets, white suburbia panics (literally happened today), pay someone to break a few windows and run away, cops hit anything that moves.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by malandrew on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:55PM (#23385045)

I don't think you even need a hostile state actor. Almost nobody I've discussed current affairs with that is supportive of the rioters is capable of understanding that the only correct way to compare racial/gender disparities in excessive use of police force is based on per 10,000 arrests per violent crime. You quickly discover that there really isn't much of a disparity and the disparity that exists doesn't even lean in the direction people believes it does.

Is there a problem with excessive use of police force? Definitely. Is it disproportionate with regards to race or gender relative to representation based on a per 10,000 arrests per violent crime basis? No.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by newen on Monday June 01, 2020 @07:13PM (#23385197)

So you look at arrests of violent crime and decide that is the only way to asses racial/gender disparities in excessive use of police force?? Why is that a correct way? What about stops by police, arrests of non-violent crime, murders by police?

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by malandrew on Thursday June 04, 2020 @03:21AM (#23413637)

One reason is because the burden to manufacture crimes is far higher. Every violent crime necessarily has a victim and if the victim survived the encounter they can identify affirmatively the characteristics of their assailant.

The problem with non-violent crimes is that they could be tainted by biases since there isn't always as concrete/reliable an eyewitness.

Someone attacks me and it's a lot easier to trust what I report. I see someone steal something at a distance, and my eyewitness account is less trustworthy.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by mc32 on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:52PM (#23385019)

Right but we have Obama officials saying they believe Russia has something to do with it. Why would they want to help Trump and not Biden?

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by shuntress on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @01:24AM (#23387746)

It's not about fabricating an otherwise nonexistent problem into being.

It is about applying the right pressure in the right place at the right time.

For example: jumping in with some social media accounts to schedule a protest for just before sundown (or finding one that happens to be scheduled that poorly to begin with) and using bot accounts to boost it's visibility, increase turnout, and increase the chances that enough stupid people are in the same place at the same time so that something stupid happens.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by harry8 on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @08:02AM (#23390086)

I strongly doubt Putin has any effect.

This: https://twitter.com/search?q=bricks%20no%20construction

Seems quite unlikely to be Putin. Do you think it's a conspiracty theory to wonder aloud if the J. Edgar Hoover Building had any hand in this at all. Mere idle speculation... Because J. Edgar Hoover. after whom the FBI continue to name their building tried to get Dr King to commit suicide using surviellance and blackmail. That we know of. But keep the name on the building. No need to lie about it. Putin probably told them to keep the name because he wants the USA to look bad, right? See how silly all this Putin garbage is? Laugh at it, hard. It's what it deserves and what it has always deserved.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by sukilot on Monday June 01, 2020 @07:59PM (#23385570)

> Bezos who pays no tax is going to become a trillionaire

You realize this is misinformation twice over, yes? Doesn't do credit to your argument.

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Re:Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack” by harry8 on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:56AM (#23388743)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/money/amazo...

1.2%

Everything is fine. Where do i donate to his employees sick leave fund again?

Must be the Russians that has everyone angry.

Russians == Saddam's WND until you see hard, overwhelming evidence.

But if you're really not seeing where the anger is coming from, maybe that's a much more significant reason for it than Putin could ever be in his wildest, wettest dreams.

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