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Re:Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive by EvanAnderson on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:46PM (#23384335)
I was being hyperbolic in that question, to be sure. It's probably better asked as:

When will the publishing industry finally accept that it exists in a world where counting copies made doesn't work as a business model anymore?

Technology isn't going away. The business models will have to change. Some businesses will fail. Some creators will have tragic outcomes. Some works will never be created. Entire classes of works might never be created again.

re: "...took my output without permission..." - I choose not to deal in "intellectual property". I've arguably left money on the table by not. I've chosen not to pursue projects that involved selling licenses for "intellectual property"-- projects that had a decent shot of profitability.

Under the current terms of US copyright I consider it a tainted and morally questionable business. It's not one I want to participate in.

I also have deep moral concerns with the idea that a creator should somehow be entitled to be paid again and again for work done once.

Re:Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive by Zonulet on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:48PM (#23384361)
In the UK, revenue from ebook sales grew 3% between 2018 and 2019. Where is your evidence that the business model of "counting copies" – i.e. selling books to people who want to read them – doesn't work any more?
Re:Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive by EvanAnderson on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:09PM (#23384579)
I'm seeing reports of a 5% decrease (a ~152 million pound decrease) in print book sales in the UK from 2018 to 2019. "Selling books to people who want to read them" seems to be a declining business.

The 3% increase in ebook licensing revenue from 2018 to 2019 was an absolutely increase of ~20 million pounds. That doesn't absorb event a quarter of the decrease in print sales. Given the relative price parity between the two, I'd say that people who aren't purchasing print books aren't licensing ebooks, by and large, either.

Unless the book publishing industry can come up with some analog to subscription streaming services, or can use their lobby to kill general purpose computing devices, I don't think the long game looks very good for their business model. Video and audio media are well suited to the streaming market because there's enough inconvenience in making infringing copies to make paying license feeds worthwhile (at least, with current media file sizes and network speeds).

I don't think ebooks have as strong a value proposition for paying the license fee vs. making an infringing copy.

Re:Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive by Zonulet on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:26PM (#23384752)
2018 was also the first time in five years that overall revenues fell – 2018 was still better than 2014 and 2015. The idea that we should scuttle the entire publishing industry and switch to Spotify because of these minor fluctuations from year to year prove the "business model is dying" is absolutely cockamamie. "Legacy publishing" continues to support the production of great work – that is what counts. (It is also my livelihood as an author, so yes I'm biased.) I shudder at the alternative – say Kindle Unlimited, the closest thing that's been tried to a streaming model, which has worked well for romance novelists and romance readers and pretty much nobody else.
Re:Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive by mehdix on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:18AM (#23388514)
fwiwi, I'm continiously buying relatively expensive printed books, mostly technical. I think I will continue doing so, at least as long as I can oder printed copies.

Paper copies have a few important advantages. They do not distract me. Do not run out of battery, and I can use visual and physical clues for finding topics, see my progress, make notes, etc.

Five years of using Kindle, proved that even a dedicated e-reader in no ways can provide a similar experience. So, at least for a niche printed copies would be a thing for quite some time.

Re:Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive by SpelingBeeChamp on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @02:23AM (#23388159)
"I also have deep moral concerns with the idea that a creator should somehow be entitled to be paid again and again for work done once."

You would do away with the ability of developers to license their software?

Re:Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive by 0_gravitas on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @05:10PM (#23396351)
Sounds great to me