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Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by sandworm101 on Monday June 01, 2020 @04:54PM (#23383699)
>>"hacktivist" group Anonymous has returned from the shadows.

>>the group has targeted groups over race relations in the past.

>>The "hacktivist" collective has no face, and no leadership. Its tagline is simply "we are legion", referring to its allegedly large numbers of individuals.

A decade later and the media still doesn't understand anonymous. It never is a group. It is mask, a word, used by any number of different groups at different times. One should never ascribe any group identity to anonymous, no more than one would group individuals who choose to wear a particular color of hat.

Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by gindely on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:02PM (#23383782)
Yes the article attempting to determine if this had the signature of something "genuinely" anonymous demonstrates a clear void of space between the author and the point. An attack is a genuinely anonymous if it is anonymous and uses certain imagery. Clearly, the video and the UN hack are anonymous. Whether or not the police website going down was from them or not, who knows.

Whether the anonymous attack was perpetrated by American acktivists or whether it was perpetrated by state actors is a different question. But there's no point asking "is it genuinely anonymous"; rather, ask "was it genuinely instate disaffection or is it concocted interstate action". (They don't ask that question. They don't get close. But the only questions worth asking are this one and "who did it".)

Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by wildmusings on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:22PM (#23384031)
I agree, but one friendly nit-pick: capitalized "Anonymous" is the hacktivist thing, and lower-case "anonymous" is the ordinary adjective. People acting as Anonymous are also anonymous, but not everyone acting anonymously is Anonymous.
Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by optimuspaul on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:44PM (#23384300)
I don't really buy the idea that Anonymous were not a group to begin with. They had to have some organization in the beginning coordinating things and developing their marketing strategy. And regardless of the fact, if it even is a fact, that it is just a name applied to any number of possibly unconnected groups it is still a label that describes a group of people. A swarm of bees is a swarm of bees no matter which bees are present.
Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by neonate on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:36PM (#23384210)
It's in their interest not to understand it because the story is much more appealing and cinematic this way.
Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by _understanding on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:04PM (#23383799)
Journalists do apply the same mistaken conceptualization to "black bloc" tactics employed by individuals dressing in black and carrying big black umbrellas.

It's not a single homogeneous, coordinated/regimented organization or even an irregular gang affiliation. It's an equipment choice. Yet we have people writing about "the black bloc" doing this or that, as if that were informative.

It's strange how easily corporate media outlets can be short-circuiuted and subverted to produce an almost robotic, knee-jerk reflex, when attempting to cover a story.

It's not even Gell-Mann Amnesia. It's more akin to a kindergartner explaining fidget spinners to grandma.

Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by monadic2 on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:09PM (#23383832)
Not to mention another certain collective identity recently tellingly condemned as a terror organization on twitter.
Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by tw000001 on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:13PM (#23383902)
This collective is a little different given that it consists of multiple groups organizing and coordinating long term planning among nationally networks.

Completely different from a bunch of script kiddies on 4chan getting together Friday night and ddosing for the lulz, or any subsequent incarnations that are true to the ephemeral spirit of anonymous.

Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by meowface on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:24PM (#23384045)
Also very different in that most of 4chan is right-wing or far-right nowadays, largely due to /pol/. Most of the site's posters are supportive of the police in this instance, and sees the response and civil unrest as "anti-white rhetoric and violence perpetrated by liberals and black people". Many believe Floyd deserved to be killed.

(There are still some more moderate and reasonable bastions in some boards, but most boards are thoroughly infected by /pol/.)

"Anonymous" has been disconnected from its origins for well over a decade now.

Re:Anonymous hackers re-emerge amid US unrest by tw000001 on Monday June 01, 2020 @06:43PM (#23384927)
>Also very different in that most of 4chan is right-wing or far-right nowadays, largely due to /pol/. Most of the site's posters are supportive of the police in this instance, and sees the response and civil unrest as "anti-white rhetoric and violence perpetrated by liberals and black people". Many believe Floyd deserved to be killed.

This isn't quite right. 4chan is more right leaning than almost any other place online (save for voat and 8chan among others), but all political views are expressed on 4chan. You may get shouted down but you won't get banned for saying almost anything. The trouble is that "right wing" ideas are overexpressed on 4chan because these people are being totally deplatformed everywhere else.

This is dangerous because when you silence one of a two party system, you're actually silencing a range of ideologies that aren't "left leaning enough" and create an illusion of consensus, when in reality you are forcing thousands of political dimensions, and millions of people, into two generic boxes. I think part of the alleged rise of "white supremacy" is actually a response to being forced into the conservative box and dehumanized with accusations of Nazism and such.