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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by fr2null on Friday May 29, 2020 @08:47AM (#23349304)
AFAIK, WhatsApp has decent E2EE, but metadata is not encrypted. So even though Facebook can't see what you are saying, it can see to whom you are saying it, how often, at what times etc.
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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by jolux on Friday May 29, 2020 @09:05AM (#23349453)
Telegram isn’t encrypted at all by default, and its encryption scheme is sketchy.
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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by fullstop on Friday May 29, 2020 @11:20AM (#23350965)
Eh? It's encrypted by default. Not E2E, though, although that is an option which you can choose to use.
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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by StavrosK on Friday May 29, 2020 @02:28PM (#23353689)
That's a bit disingenuous. Everything is encrypted these days, there's virtually nothing that doesn't use TLS. Therefore, when someone says "encrypted", it's a good bet they mean E2E.
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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by fullstop on Friday May 29, 2020 @02:57PM (#23354076)
Telegram non-E2E is more than just TLS, though.
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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by StavrosK on Friday May 29, 2020 @03:09PM (#23354239)
What more do they do? I'm not aware.
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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by fullstop on Friday May 29, 2020 @04:28PM (#23355109)
It is documented here: https://core.telegram.org/mtproto

These layers are used in addition to any encryption done on the transport layer.

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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by jolux on Friday May 29, 2020 @06:39PM (#23356426)
Fair enough, but they have the keys for that layer, I don’t see how that’s an improvement over TLS.
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Re:Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service by FalconSensei on Friday May 29, 2020 @09:10AM (#23349517)
Exactly. WhatsApp still wins by having the message encrypted
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