One aspect of this is that introverts have been living in an world designed maximally for the liking and benefit of extroverts and now the tables have turned completely. It's one of those situations where you have a privilege you weren't aware of, and then lost it, so it feels like an assault.

To any extroverts really struggling, I get it. I understand how difficult it must be. I mean this with no ill intentions at all, but I've felt the way you're feeling my whole working life, working in an environment not suited to my personality at all. I hope you too can have empathy for the people on the other side who have had to live in your world.

Will you stop it with the "oh no extroverts" stuff? I am definitely an extrovert, and I greatly prefer working from home. With only a few days here and there (certainly not necessarily every week) to meet up with people face to face. I am more productive like this, and much happier.

Being an extrovert does not mean that you need or enjoy the company of any people any time.

What does being an extrovert mean? I assumed it described people who felt their most calm, energetic and happy while in the company of people.

One useful metric is whether hanging out with your friends after work gives you energy or costs you energy. Enjoying being around people is irrelevant. Introverts love being around people just as much as extroverts.

I would consider myself an extrovert and hanging out with friends does not tire me. But people in the office are not really friends and we are not hanging out. I have found myself with a lot more energy working from home since when I'm really starting to feel tired I can run a few laps of the house and do some pushups and I feel energised again.

And the binary gradations generally.

I'm not even sure which I am. I like being on stage, going to events, etc. But I have also written books (which take a lot of private research/writing time) and I definitely don't naturally gravitate towards engaging in conversation with people I don't know.

I don't miss an office which I haven't really worked in for a while but I miss events and so forth a great deal.

For me, I've always liked working in an office, but I've always hated, what should I call it - drama/politics/whatever?

I've worked in such wierd places over the years. For example, if you had an office of 100 people, 10 were on your team, I would probably not like 2 of the people on my team and 20 in the office.

Most of the time, this is not a problem. However, you get around people that you really like and tell a joke, or you just say something a bit freely - and all of a sudden, you now have people that don't like you. (The specific office situation I'm thinking of had an average of salary of $15k at the time - but our group probably had an average of $150k at the time).

It was tough. I don't think it was a good idea overall either. I've seen other situations like it as well.

I don't like working from at home. But I hate dealing with that kind of bullshit.

Being an introvert means spending time around people costs you energy whereas it gives you energy if you're an extrovert. Introverts enjoy being around people, some enjoy being on stage, etc. Those things are totally irrelevant to introvert/extrovert.

The world is not split into two distinct groups - introverts and extroverts. Rather it is curve with majority of people somewhere in the middle. Only few people are on the either extreme end of that curve.

Here's two distinct groups: people that my comment was referring to, and people that it wasn't.

I've seen this too. Personally I think both environments are really valuable. I really prefer meeting folks in person, but my home is nicer for hard problems that require concentration.

I just want to split my time evenly between the two.

>I really prefer meeting folks in person

I mostly don't do that in an office but I do for traveling/events which are pretty much off the table for an indefinite time. I meet far more of my colleagues at events than I do at my company offices. That's the difficult thing for me right now.

I wonder if teams will end up being organized based on preferred work location (in office vs WFH) in the future.

That's an interesting idea that I haven't heard discussed yet. I think it makes a lot of sense, as the remote vs in-office divide is more pronounced when the experience isn't uniform.

it's illogical for a remote worker to return to an office, it's a regression to older technology (aside from subjective views). The reverse is not true. Therefore, one side is clearly using subjective feelings as arguments, and the other side is angered by how illogical it all is.

I think you explained it right. Over the last couple of years I started working from home more and more to the point that I'm considering going full remote after this pandemic.

The way I see it is an evolution from old-school thinking to the future of work. Going remote IS going to be the future that we like it or not. Every year our collaboration tools become better and better and as new generation come into the workforce they will increasingly start by being remote first.

It is as if you drove a car after using horse your whole life but a subset of people want to convince you that everyone should go back to horses because it's easier to have that "feeling of camaraderie" with your engine.

I dont think your claim is logical. It is not logical to assume that newer means better for everyone. The return to office can be rational move back after doing move that made things worst.

This is confusing own subjective preference and own evaluation shortcut with "objectively better".

And I am saying that as someone who plans to work more from home after covid ends.

If you're "Pro-office" you're dictatorial. This is a problem.

The cat is out of the bag. I haven't worked in an office in nearly a decade, anyone saying "you have to be in the office" will be drawing from a dwindling pool of supplies.

Way to exemplify OPs point.

I mean, I consider myself Pro-office because I like to personally interact with my coworkers, and I also enjoy the feeling of camaraderie that comes when a bunch of people get together to tackle a certain problem. Depending on your company, a lot of things can also get sorted out quicker when you can talk face to face to your manager/colleagues (though good processes and practices can mitigate this somewhat).

I don't have strong opinions on whether other people should or should not WFH, however. I don't see the need to make this an us vs them issue, at least not when talking between us regular programmers (I am in favor of taking the fight to the higher-ups, though).

> and I also enjoy the feeling of camaraderie that comes when a bunch of people get together to tackle a certain problem

I don't really disagree with anything you've said, but I don't see why you can't get that same feeling of camaraderie when working remotely.

I'm pro-office, and I'm not a manager or anything. I just prefer working in offices, and prefer when my colleagues do too, because I find face-to-face interaction much more satisfying.