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Re:Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms by dragonwriter on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @11:32PM (#23333098)
> The reality is that the conservative party actively works to curtail voting because they are in the minority and it's the only way for them to stay in power.

Well, that's the tactical reason.

Bigger picture, conservativism is about narrowing and liberalism about broadening and equalizing access to the levers of power; conservatives for narrowing the franchise both because of immediate tactical advantage and because of fundamental ideological reasons.

Re:Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms by pstuart on Thursday May 28, 2020 @02:47AM (#23334238)
Look, I grew up as a prototypical SF Bay Area liberal. But I'm not a kid anymore and I can recognize the value of many elements of true conservatism.

I've had little love for every Republican administration, but this is the first time I'm actually afraid of them. What is happening now is not conservatism, it's fascism with a dash of Christian Dominionism.

> Bigger picture, conservativism is about narrowing and liberalism about broadening and equalizing access to the levers of power; conservatives for narrowing the franchise both because of immediate tactical advantage and because of fundamental ideological reasons.

Are you in marketing? Because you sound like it, and I'm not buying what your selling.

Let's try Wikipedia for grins:

"Traditionalist conservatism, also referred to as classical conservatism, traditional conservatism or traditionalism, is a political and social philosophy emphasizing the need for the principles of a transcendent moral order, manifested through certain natural laws to which society ought to conform in a prudent manner."

Now that's a bit better. Using that definition tell me how that applies to Trump's GOP.

Disclaimer: I have no love for the DNC either, but at least with them it's a more genteel corruption and their ostensible goals are not entirely unpalatable.

p.s. @dang, I'm in dangerous territory here being political on HN, but it was meant to be germane to the OP.

Re:Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms by vorpalhex on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:28AM (#23333401)
This feels a weird position to be in as a liberal, but:

You're ascribing to conservativism what should belong to a particular political party at a particular time. Yes, the current Republican party does intend to limit franchise by minorities, and this has literally been stated ala Hofeller.

That is not a conservative position and many things the Republican party does are not actually conservative.

Just as Democrats at their worse can be about finding equality by restricting rights and treating people like zoo animals, the Republicans at their worse are about winning the power grab ethics be damned. And at those extremes, neither party represents the values of liberalism or conservativism.

Re:Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms by dragonwriter on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:52AM (#23333871)
> You're ascribing to conservativism what should belong to a particular political party at a particular time

No, I'm ascribing to conservativism what has defined it since the classic liberal/conservative divide emerged in the Enlightenment (well, except that at the very beginning the conservative position was merely to retain the existing narrow distribution of access to the levers of power, resting on appeals to religious and other traditional bases; it's only after the liberal side had some success in broadening access that the conservative position became actively reversing that progress, but it has remained so since.)

Re:Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms by ZeroGravitas on Thursday May 28, 2020 @09:57AM (#23337268)
This book mostly agrees with you, but would claim even at the beginning it was a counter-reaction:

The Reactionary Mind - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reactionary_Mind