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Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by echevil on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @12:37PM (#23313245)
Possible, but I see two big obstacles: 1. Mini-apps are optimized for this one purpose and feels much faster and native, websites won't be able to achieve the same. 2. Some features provided by WeChat is actually important, especially the payment part. Websites won't be able to integrate something like WeChat pay seamlessly as mini-apps do. If it requires users to put in credit card information, it would instantly fail in these countries
Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by wenc on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @12:51PM (#23313422)
I can't comment on 1 but for 2, I'm seeing a lot more merchants (probably Shopify merchants) support mobile payments on their websites (yes websites, not mobile apps) these days.

I can now go to a vendor's website (say jrwatkins.com, etc.) on my phone, checkout, do a fingerprint/face scan on Apple Pay and the transaction is done in under 5 seconds.

I assume the experience with Google Pay is similar.

There's no longer a need to create an account on the website. The delivery address defaults to the one on Apple Pay (and can be modified at time of payment). Delivery method can also be selected on the Apple Pay screen. My credit card number is never transmitted. This type of frictionless checkout that was once the domain of companies like Hoteltonight is now becoming more common on ecommerce sites.

Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by echevil on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:07PM (#23313642)
Yeah, if Apple Pay and Google Pay has the same market share then website could integrate those service and achieve the same, I agree. However, Apple Pay and Google Pay are also harder to use from the perspective of both consumers and merchants in these countries in the beginning, and IMO that's the reason they failed in the first place.

I don't know what payment methods these services require now, but in the beginning at least, they both supports just credit cards, which is basically suicidal. Most users won't be able to use it at all.

From merchants' perspective, they don't need to pay for transactions on WeChat Pay or AliPay, whereas both Apple Pay and credit card companies would charge them for usage. For this reason most small business wouldn't even think of using them.

Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by cxr on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @04:51PM (#23316245)
> Yeah, if Apple Pay and Google Pay has the same market share then website could integrate those service

According to the Apple developer docs[1], websites don't have to integrate with Apple Pay specifically; Safari also supports the (fairly new) platform-neutral Payment Request API[2]. Google's docs[3] suggest that something similar is available for Chrome on Android.

1. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_pay_on_the_w...

2. https://www.w3.org/TR/payment-request/

3. https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/payments

Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by wenc on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:15PM (#23313761)
Well, from what I'm seeing Apple Pay is gaining traction here in the U.S. Since the NFC part isn't proprietary, it works with almost any terminal (Ingenico, Verifone) that supports contactless payments (with few exceptions).

It supports Apple Cash, which in turn can funded via a bank debit card. (kind of like Venmo). There's no transaction fee with Apple Cash.

I believe there are currently no additional fees on the merchant side to accept Apple Pay [1], unless the customer uses a credit card via Apple Pay in which case the standard credit card fees apply.

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204274

Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by cadmuxe on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:14PM (#23313739)
The point is the QR based wechat payment is available for all kind of phones and it's available early than apple pay or google pay. Some merchant like a fruit stand can accept a QR payment, and I don't think they can afford a post machine.
Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by wenc on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:17PM (#23313783)
Yes, with any kind of contactless payment, you need an NFC reader (which a smartphone kinda is), but it's much easier to print out a QR code.
Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by cadmuxe on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:33PM (#23314016)
yup, and we need to think about the timeline. At very early stage of this story, only limited phones support NFC, So wechat/alipay can quickly occupy the market with the QR base solution.
Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by lvbu on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @02:08AM (#23319864)
In India, it is quite similar and popular. However we can do that with a variety of apps. The amount will be deducted from account. It uses the unified payments interface (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface) tech and Bharath QR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BharatQR)
Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @12:58PM (#23313522)
I was also thinking about Apple Pay in my original comment. But that's iOS-only, and I'm going to hazard a guess that Google Pay doesn't work in China, so we're back to GP's point.
Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by wenc on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:07PM (#23313640)
Right since the existing players are entrenched, but might work for other (emerging) countries?

We've never been big on mobile payments in the U.S. (because credit cards), but I'm finding myself using Apple Pay more and more. I read somewhere than ~50% of payments in the U.S. are now contactless.

Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by echevil on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:20PM (#23313826)
I think it largely depends on how much Apple Pay / Google Pay could abandon their western centric design and invest heavily on localization. Payment solutions are just hard to unify - Lots of people in Indonesia don't have bank accounts, Bank transfer is actually a popular way of transaction in Brazil...
Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by echevil on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:09PM (#23313675)
Apple Pay works in China, but basically nobody use it. It's designed with mindset that works in developed markets, and never worked out well in China.
Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by wenc on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:18PM (#23313800)
Oh I can see that. When QR codes are so prevalent, the appeal of Apple Pay is probably not great.

I'm kind of thinking of markets outside China though.

Re:Asian and African super apps are following the playbook W... by echevil on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @02:48PM (#23314979)
Chinese companies are also thinking about that so it's matter of what works better in those markets