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Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by sho_hn on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:28AM (#23300832)
I've watched a few episodes.

- He gets high-profile guests across a decently wide spectrum and at an overall high volume. >95% of his interviews don't interest me, but for the 5% that do - say, John Carmack - the name is the main draw. These people just don't get interviewed all that often so it's an event regardless of the MC. Probably the same for his entire audience, just different 5% slices.

- If you know the old mystery TV anthology show Columbo, he does a similar routine to the titular character: He plays the unassuming everyman and then asks unexpectedly smart/pointed questions, using simple terms but with reasonably deep implications. His interviews seem generally well-prepared. They don't go particularly deep on any subject matter, but if you're familiar with the subject matter they still prompt interesting responses from the guests - you can see someone like Carmack or Musk go into rubber-duck debugging mode trying to digest complicated thoughts into succinct answers and that has an interesting information side-channel to it (it tells you what they really think is important to say or highlight, and Rogan seems to be aware of this - he is good at getting the bits they personally find important).

- Related to the above, the macho/masculinity slant aside he acts humble and un-obnoxious. I might feel differently if I watched any episode with a guest I really dislike (because he seems to be more accommodating than challenging/critical, for sure), but in the episodes I watched I wasn't annoyed with him.

- Part of his prep is also clearly to read up on recent/controversial things related to a guest and probe for it during the interview, so there's the shock value/titilation factor that adds to the entertainment. His skill is that both him and the interviewee anticipate this but he still puts his subjects at ease enough in the moment to make the responses compelling. It has your brain constantly working to sort through what is guarded and what is not (=real), just like quality reality TV (everyone knows reality TV is scripted -- the entertainment is in trying to identify the sliver of authenticity in people's emergent behavior on camera).

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by ravenstine on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:44AM (#23301005)
To add to that:

- No gotcha questions. On TV, the interviewee might be on for 5 minutes and the interviewer asks a bunch of preloaded questions, especially "gotcha" questions if there's a political divide. Rogan never tries to undermine his guests.

- The conversations usually last as long as they need to. His show sometimes go over 3 hours if it's necessary. I don't ever listen for 3 hours and feel like I've wasted my time.

- Joe is clearly good at making his guests feel comfortable, which brings out a different side of people that you might not see in a traditional setting. How is anyone supposed to be uptight around a pot smoking, MMA fighting comedian who asks you if you've used DMT?

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by vsareto on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:53AM (#23301120)
TV/Radio is slave to the show clock and ads, where-as Rogan isn't. I don't think I've seen ads because I use ad block, but if there are, they just stop the show for a minute or so. TV producers and anchors have to plan around all that and it interrupts your attention and affects how they deliver. Pretty much everyone on TV is trained this way and used to this. Rogan would be bad if he had TV's format and ads. To say nothing of being on YouTube and being able to ignore FCC regulations compared to TV/Radio. The format is just so much nicer. Colbert doesn't even get 2 hours and he is massively successful.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by Theodores on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:52AM (#23301114)
It is a similar trick Hello! Magazine uses. Allow guests to be themselves and in a positive light, with no scary surprise. The guests open up and share more about themselves and what they are up to.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by BiteCode_dev on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:32AM (#23301491)
How is being a welcoming host a trick?

It's like saying serving good food and making your guest feel at home is a trick for a successful diner.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by Theodores on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:51AM (#23301663)
Hello! don't roast people so they get A list people open their homes and hearts. Hence they are a safe place for people of celebrity significance to be shown in.

In British English 'trick' can mean many things. You can do a trick on a skateboard but the usage I have is

a clever or particular way of doing something.

"the trick is to put one ski forward and kneel"

I hope that clarifies the British English usage. Elsewhere 'trick' probably means deception but in British English there are other uses, e.g. the trick to explaining something is to cite Wikipedia.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by a9h74j on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:10PM (#23303303)
Compare 'knack'? A positive skill but simple at heart. "There is a knack to it."
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by combatentropy on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:49PM (#23303682)
I understand knack not to mean a learned skill but instead a natural aptitude. For example, a knack for humor, figuring out mechanical things, putting people at ease, debugging code, etc.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by jiggawatts on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:44AM (#23301010)
A lot of people mistakenly thing that Joe is not very smart because he asks "dumb questions". I think it's the exact opposite, he leads his guests with well chosen questions that he probably already knows the answer to, but the guest can surely elaborate on from deep experience.

When I see mainstream media interview people that are expert in topics I'm well versed in, the questions are cringe worthy at best.

For comparison with someone trying to create a similar show, Lex Fridman regularly asks some stupid, stupid questions. He's clearly approaching his guests from his own personal perspective, and not letting the individual perspective of their guests be front and centre.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by PragmaticPulp on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:15AM (#23301340)
> For comparison with someone trying to create a similar show, Lex Fridman regularly asks some stupid, stupid questions. He's clearly approaching his guests from his own personal perspective, and not letting the individual perspective of their guests be front and centre.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.

I had high hopes for Fridman's podcast after the JRE revered him as a sort of young, genius, intellectual version of JRE. He's highly respected among JRE online communities, I think because he presents himself the way most JRE listeners expect a generic smart person to sound. Yet every time I listen to him, I'm left scratching my head.

It feels like he's working hard to copy-and-paste the JRE format, but like many other imitators it exposes why Rogan is so popular in the first place: Rogan is a expert conversationalist who makes both the guest and listener feel at ease, like the listener is part of the conversation. His charisma isn't entirely obvious until you start comparing him to imitators.

I'm still hopeful that Lex Fridman's podcast will get more enjoyable over time as he relaxes a bit and masters the art of the podcast. He's been able to get some high profile guests on his show, so the potential is there.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by pharke on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:21PM (#23302937)
It's strange, there are some interviews where he seems to reach a much better rapport with his guest. These tend to be guests who are also in the computer science and software domain. I think his biggest hinderance is his reliance on his notes and his apparent fear of looking dumb or unprepared. I get it, I'd probably do the same thing if I were interviewing the same calibre of people but I think he just needs to relax a bit and look for common ground with his guests. Maybe there's too much fear of missing the opportunity to ask certain questions of these high profile people but it's a bit of a turn off. Rogan seems to get this right, maybe even going too far sometimes by not being afraid to just shoot the shit and talk about random incongruous interests. It shows you a side of his guests that you would never get to see elsewhere and it's a lot more humanizing than just question-answer style interviewing.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by nl on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:28AM (#23301453)
I think Fridman is very smart, but he needs to prepare for his interviews a bit better and/or edit them.

Too often he can't quite put the question he wants to ask into words, and if he prepared slightly better it would improve the podcast a lot.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by hatboat on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:47PM (#23306695)
I have a similar gripe with Eric Weinstein's podcast mentioned in TFA.

I've quite enjoyed the episodes I've listened to, however they can be difficult to parse at times - somewhat defeating the oft-mentioned benefit of listening to a podcast while performing other activities.

He is obviously very intelligent, but often uses language and analogies that appear to be aimed more at showing off this intelligence than engaging the guest or audience. It distracts from the point he or his guest is attempting to make, which is frustrating.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by ravenstine on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:46AM (#23301030)
In the Sean Caroll episodes, he clearly exaggerates his level of confusion in the face of quantum physics.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by guscost on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:02AM (#23301196)
He’s definitely smarter than he lets on, but there are lots of funny moments where he clearly has no idea what the guest is talking about.

Elon Musk: We need some kind of like, mind-viral immunity. So that’s, that’s a bit concerning.

Joe Rogan: Mind-viral immunity. Meaning that once something like Neuralink gets established, the real concern is that it’s something, that, I mean you said it’s Bluetooth, right?

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by julesqs on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:41AM (#23300978)
I think the "wide spectrum" part is really important. I'm on the far left by American standards and Rogan still has a lot of interviews that interest me even though I think he's more traditionally associated with conservative-ish or libertarian-ish views.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by 2019-nCoV on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:44AM (#23301016)
Joe Rogan has self-claimed liberal views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ctTmQn8w7A
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by arcticfox on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:09AM (#23301273)
He's kind of all over the place, which is why I think he appeals to a lot of people (myself included). It's hard to put him in a box.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by leadingthenet on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:08AM (#23301271)
I hate the fact that Americans say “liberal” when they mean “left-wing”, or vice versa.

Classical liberalism / neoliberalism are not left-wing ideologies. They are, at best, centre-right if the Overton window is set to Western standards.

Edit: I love being downvoted because I care about the meaning of words. I clearly stepped on some American nerves. Thanks HN.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by leetcrew on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @11:23AM (#23312278)
people probably don't like this nitpick because the core meaning of "liberal" is relative, just like "left" and "right". "liberal"/"conservative" may have a different connotation than "left"/"right" depending on context, but they have roughly the same meaning. you always need to know (at least implicitly) what position is being compared against to know what "liberal" means.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by leadingthenet on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @02:03PM (#23314393)
But that's exactly what I'm arguing against! The core meaning of liberal is not relative, it's a pretty well defined ideology (with multiple strands, to be sure, but still).

The whole reason you think the meaning depends on the context is because you have been mislead to believe that liberal == left-wing, or something approaching that.

This is completely and utterly false, hence my "nitpick". Changing the meaning of these words causes the exact type of confusion you seem to be suffering from!

Left-wing is a term with a very loose definition, and depending on the Overton window, "liberal" places somewhere on the left/right axis. "Liberal", however, does have a well-defined meaning, since it refers to a specific ideology, unlike "the left".

TLRD: "liberal" is not a direction on an axis, rather it's a point on an already existing axis, the left/right one.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by julesqs on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @09:09AM (#23310641)
I'm being downvoted too lol, politics on HN are so ridiculous.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by nl on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:32AM (#23301497)
Classical liberalism is basically the opposite of liberalism as it is mostly understood in the West today.

Interestingly, you see this most in Australia, where the Centre/Right party is called the Liberal Party.

But it hasn't been used like that since the 1970s really, except in the "Liberal Democracy" sense. I think that has actually caused a lot of issues where the US right says they don't support Liberal Democracy, whereas - generally speaking, with the exception of the authoritarian arm - they mostly do.

Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by reedwolf on Monday May 25, 2020 @11:19AM (#23301955)
The meaning of words change over time. Always have and always will.
Re:Joe Rogan Is the New Mainstream Media by julesqs on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @09:08AM (#23310628)
do you not remember when all of cancel police on twitter got mad at Bernie for accepting Rogan's endorsement in the primary? he can call himself whatever he wants that doesn't mean it's true.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-r...

"Rogan, a libertarian-leaning broadcaster with a public persona in the mold of Howard Stern"