News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by mindfulhack on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:22AM (#23298128)
I also have another reason why I feel like download and off-line-only video is important:

Privacy.

Streaming services have increasingly terrifying and inescapable telemetry. Spotify, Netflix, Amazon, Google - all of them collect extremely telling things about us due to when we pause video, for how long, which bits we rewind back to, when we consume the content during the time, where (GPS-wise), how often we play them, the collective profiling of us based on what we download in general...and many other things we don't even know about.

After listening to Shoshana Zuboff's audiobook 'The Age of Surveillance Capitalism' - the most important book I have ever read on technology - I am very aware of this. The data companies don't want us to be aware of what they're doing to us.

I'm not condoning piracy, and I believe content creators should be fairly compensated for their hard work - but unless there's a convenient way to be able to consume content in my own open-source local software such as MPV, all offline, and in full privacy without being spied on, I refuse to legitimise the alternative.

I realise there's still blu-ray and DVD, but not always - many releases are web only, now. I'd even pay a premium more for such non-DRM content...your move, Hollywood.

It was never natural to have people watch and profile us when we're already paying money to watch personal entertainment, on this massive global scale.

Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by legulere on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:28AM (#23298170)
With peer to peer file sharing you tell the whole world what you are watching.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by taneq on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:29AM (#23298554)
Not at all. You share with an assortment of randoms that you're downloading a particular file (that they're also downloading) at a particular time. That's all. You don't tell them when you watched it, how many times, whether and when you paused it, or whether you fast forwarded the naughty bits or went back to re-watch them. It's far less intrusive.

And most importantly, those few randoms don't have a flood of other data being scraped from your phone, social media, credit card transactions etc. to cross-correlate your viewing with. They don't see that you paused the movie when the main character put on some Nikes and went online shopping for a pair of Nikes for yourself. They don't see that you have friends over. They don't see what brand of microwave popcorn you watch with your movies. They don't care.

Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by simooooo on Monday May 25, 2020 @07:19AM (#23299973)
Anyone who wants to know who is downloading a particular file can become one of the randoms
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by feanaro on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @05:48AM (#23321194)
And the rest (more important) part of his point still stands.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by Sevaris on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:47AM (#23298275)
He didn't mention p2p, did he? I can go years without touching p2p, while still pirating everything I want to watch.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by thejynxed on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:14PM (#23302885)
You're still advertising to anyone and everyone with admin access who cares to parse their log files every server hop you make to get it.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by thaumasiotes on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:51AM (#23298303)
On the other hand, all of

> when we pause video, for how long, which bits we rewind back to, when we consume the content during the time, where (GPS-wise), how often we play them

is entirely hidden. What model gives that up, but keeps the identity of the video you're watching private?

Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by m463 on Monday May 25, 2020 @06:22AM (#23299718)
I don't believe he mentioned p2p anywhere in his comment.

I agree about streaming services.

Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by fidelramos on Monday May 25, 2020 @04:19PM (#23304530)
Use a reputable VPN.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by nindalf on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:36AM (#23298212)
I have some bad news for you. None of us will ever find out what you watched on Netflix. Netflix won’t share that data with anyone, nor will anyone serve Netflix a warrant to find out what.

But any peer on the torrent you downloaded knows your IP address. Content holders often do this, they monitor the IP addresses that download their shows and send the user a letter via their ISP to cease and desist.

Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by mindfulhack on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:00AM (#23298357)
> Netflix won’t share that data with anyone

You think I'm only talking about Netflix? What about the data giant Spotify?

https://libraryfreedom.chat/t/extraordinary-amount-of-teleme...

And as for the one company you mention, Netflix, here's some info which simply proves your claim wrong:

https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/2uffl9/how_much_da...

https://help.netflix.com/legal/privacy

Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by einpoklum on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:35AM (#23298899)
> Netflix won’t share that data with anyone

They'll share their data with the NSA when they come knocking, just like all the other large corporations. In fact, they probably already _are_ sharing it.

Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by karatestomp on Monday May 25, 2020 @12:51PM (#23302709)
Judging from the stuff in the Afghanistan Papers link posted in a thread here the other day, there's already a huge group of major US(?) companies freely sharing intel with US intelligence agencies—the implication, in context, was that they'd either opened up access to some portion of their data on users/citizens for intel agencies to dig through whenever they want, or that they're actively looking for certain kinds of info then passing that along, not just that they respond to warrants—and that's considered common-enough knowledge that its existence wasn't redacted. Dunno who's included but I doubt none of the big tech companies are.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by thejynxed on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:20PM (#23302931)
Yeah, because to get around pesky things like needing warrants signed by a judge they simply sign contracts with these companies who provide them with tons of info for a hefty fee. See: The C.I.A. and their fat ten year contract with WaPo.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by im3w1l on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:15AM (#23299420)
Here's the threat model. A president of the united states calls up his friend in Netflix "Hey can I get a list of all my enemies in my admin, in congress, in courts and the military". Said friend says "sure thing I'll just run some sql queries for who watched movie x, y, z and hand you the results".

Now said president discovers that a few people he considered trustworthy seem to be secretly having qualms about his increasing powergrabs. He manufactures a few roadblocks in their careers and within a year and a half they have all been cleaned out.

With them gone he is able to go ever further and more brazen. One day he proclaims himself dictator, and all branches cheer and celebrate.

Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by kelnos on Monday May 25, 2020 @04:49AM (#23299287)
Do people actually still torrent without using a VPN? That seems... unwise.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by vbezhenar on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:44AM (#23299535)
I do. But I never heard about anyone going after torrent downloaders in my country. Can switch to VPN if necessary.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by yurishimo on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:16AM (#23299425)
Kids usually. I know I didn't have money to buy a VPN when I was in high school, but I wasn't going to let that stop me from watching the entire backlog of anime my friends were enjoying at the time. Luckily, that was a bit before the letter's started going out with more consistency.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by parliament32 on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:05PM (#23303263)
There's only one country in the world where copyright is enforced against end-users.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by benibela on Monday May 25, 2020 @07:55AM (#23300148)
If you pay for a VPN, you could just as well pay for the official streaming service
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by bavell on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:42AM (#23300372)
Way cheaper to pay for single VPN service vs every streaming service out there (plus new ones every month)
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by jeromegv on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:49AM (#23301076)
True, much cheaper to steal than paying creators.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by Sevaris on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:48AM (#23298284)
There are other options than torrenting.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by catalogia on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:17AM (#23300695)
You're fearmongering. I've been torrenting for the better part of 20 years and still haven't received one of these nastygrams.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by wojciii on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:45AM (#23298263)
Enter VPN. Trivial to setup after some research.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by throwaway888abc on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:55AM (#23298332)
Till when ? Because now they don't have (?) model to profit from it ? All streaming platforms are grabbing all remote control presses thoroughly. That's data first approach. Ask your favorite SMART TV too.
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by bavell on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:39AM (#23300350)
Wait, you mean to tell me that all those BitTorrent peers are now aware of my VPN IP address?? I should let my VPN provider know so that they can forward the DMCA complaints to me...
Re:GitHub reinstates Popcorn Time code by Beldin on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:24AM (#23298525)
> I have some bad news for you. None of us will ever find out ...

Ever heard of Max Schrems? He did exactly this (use GDPR to obtain his records) for Facebook.

Not sure why you think Netflix would never go through the same hullabaloo - they operate in the EU as well.