News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by save_ferris on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:08PM (#23277629)
> I'm a tad surprised that the dataset cannot include a field such as "this recording is of public domain music"

If there's not a financial incentive to prevent situations like this, the likelihood that YouTube will correct it is approximately nil.

The sad truth is that the parties controlling the recordings that YouTube's algos erroneously protect are probably worth more to them financially than some church that broadcasts these performances.

Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by pmiller2 on Friday May 22, 2020 @11:50PM (#23279742)
This is an excellent, albeit seemingly unintentional, critique of capitalism. In a nutshell, if it doesn't make money, it's probably not happening.
Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by basilgohar on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:13AM (#23280097)
I don't know why parent's comments were downvoted, but this captures the same sentiment that is often reiterated frequently, "the market will correct/adapt" or "market forces will adjust" and so on.
Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by pmiller2 on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:26AM (#23280156)
Oh, I get why I was downvoted. You can't criticize capitalism on HN and expect to get upvoted. For instance, take a look at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23232811 . That comment is at -2.
Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by throwaway9482 on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:54AM (#23280316)
Definitely didn’t help that your comment sounded negative and angry
Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by pmiller2 on Saturday May 23, 2020 @02:08AM (#23280376)
So, I'm not allowed to be angry or criticize anything on HN? That's news to me.
Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by roenxi on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:35AM (#23280217)
The copyright system is a little independent of capitalism - without it, the copyright holders wouldn't have any capital. It creates itself.

It isn't an unreasonable critique but there are schools of capitalism that do not like the copyright system. That isn't an inherent part of capitalism. Peak capitalism tends to ignore copyright (eg, Silicon Valley in the early glory years, or the market for movies once BitTorrent was developed).

Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by pmiller2 on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:44AM (#23280259)
That's exactly why I didn't reference copyright in my comment, even though the article itself centered around it. The word "probably" was carefully chosen as well. There are definitely things that people do that don't make money, but few of them ever reach any significant scale. The major exception I can think of these days is the Linux kernel, which famously was a "just for fun" project. Another is the GNU project, which basically exists to advance some philosophical principles.

But, to a first approximation, in a capitalist system, if $THING doesn't make money, $THING isn't going to get done at any scale which matters. There are exceptions when philosophical principles and inherent human desires (such as curiosity and artistic expression) are involved. The corollary here, in true "the market adapts" fashion, is that if $THING is done and an entity with sufficient money dislikes $THING enough, then $THING will no longer be happening. I'm not sure whether the initial statement, or the corollary is fundamentally more distasteful.

Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by ARandomerDude on Saturday May 23, 2020 @12:52AM (#23280007)
Strange comment on a free forum (HN), with multi-industry fame.
Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by pmiller2 on Saturday May 23, 2020 @12:54AM (#23280014)
Are you trying to argue that HN doesn't make money? Because, I'm sure Paul Graham might have something to say about that. The forum itself might literally be free to users, but the marketing value to YC is priceless.
Re:On Facebook and YouTube, classical musicians are getting ... by save_ferris on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:01AM (#23280052)
How is the fact that this forum is free to post on relevant to the argument? The vast majority of sites that support comments (including YouTube) are free to post on.