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Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by bmarquez on Friday May 22, 2020 @04:49PM (#23276813)
> with respect to contrarian coverage of the pandemic

How is contrarian coverage "pseudoscience"?

An example of contrarian coverage is the suicide rate rising due to the Bay Area stay-at-home order: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269396

Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by deadbunny on Friday May 22, 2020 @04:58PM (#23276932)
How is a report from medical professionals on an abc affiliate contrarian?
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by revnode on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:14PM (#23277128)
It's contrarian if it cuts against the majority opinion, not if it comes from some obscure source from a lunatic. There are many legitimate contrarian opinions, many of which later become the mainstream opinion.
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by umanwizard on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:06PM (#23277031)
Because by far the dominant narrative among urban, educated people is that continuing lockdowns are worth it because they prevent death from COVID-19. Arguments that the lockdowns are doing more harm than good are (wrongly, IMHO) associated with political conservatism, rejection of science, and so on.

Thus, evidence of the harm of lockdowns can be considered contrarian, regardless of whether it comes from medical professionals.

Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by rz2k on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:26PM (#23277254)
I have never been in an accident where I was helped by wearing a seatbelt, and preparations for Y2K cost many times more than any of the harm that was caused by Y2K bugs. Considering that I've never experienced malnutrition, I seem to waste a lot of time money and effort on nutrition, too.

Ignoring mental health consequences of difficult times is foolish, but this sounds much more like it was a "well, actually" sort of conversation meant to stroke people's egos.

Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by rthomas6 on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:50PM (#23277467)
The argument isn't that that point of view is correct. The argument is that it should be allowed to be presented.
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by threatofrain on Friday May 22, 2020 @08:27PM (#23278644)
The problem is that Google is exposed to political, financial, and legislative risks from all sides -- or else Google would host all content, including pirated movies, and they'd pass off all liability to the primary offender.

Then they'd collect advertising revenue based on all the eyeballs they can get.

Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by rumanator on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:58PM (#23278023)
Do they want to present it or to misrepresent it?
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by cc81 on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:35PM (#23277844)
To be honest this is a novel disease that is affecting the world a lot right now and we simply don't know the best way forward.

This is not the flu, it is much worse, but we are generally not enforcing "seat belts" to protect the vulnerable even close to as much.

Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by boomboomsubban on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:07PM (#23277053)
That is a perfect example of pseudoscience, the article linked is anecdotal interview with two people working in one hospital. It never mentions anything about the rate.
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by aeternum on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:54PM (#23277509)
From the article: "We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by boomboomsubban on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:27PM (#23277780)
In one hospital. That alone makes it pseudoscience. A years worth of suicides is likely between 10-40 suicides, which is tragi but doesn't show that the quarentine is causing the problems it says. For example, the rise could be due to medical workers being overtaxed due to the pandemic, or some change in which hospital is receiving patients like this.
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by manigandham on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:37PM (#23303575)
That's not how science works. Please stop calling it pseudoscience just because you don't agree with the findings.
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by boomboomsubban on Monday May 25, 2020 @04:04PM (#23304396)
What two people say they experienced is not science. Even calling is pseudoscience is generous, it's an anecdote.
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by manigandham on Monday May 25, 2020 @07:45PM (#23306055)
Science is based on observations. And I hope you realize the pseudoscience is far worse than anecdote (which is a personal observation).

Furthermore, economic depressions lead to suffering and death. This is a fact that's widely known and studied. Ignoring all the coming secondary effects to focus on only acute deaths from a single cause is clearly not scientific either.

Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by boomboomsubban on Monday May 25, 2020 @11:06PM (#23307043)
Science is based on observations, an observation isn't science. That article was taking one data point, assuming the same thing was happening everywhere, and decided there was only one possible cause.
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by manigandham on Monday May 25, 2020 @11:18PM (#23307093)
Then it's not pseudoscience either. Why so much resistance to an observation if you accept it is as such?
Re:Joe Rogan got ripped off by boomboomsubban on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:40AM (#23307778)
Taking one observation and assuming it applies everywhere with one possible cause is pseudoscience. If the article just said "we've seen a lot of suicides, here's how to get help" I would have no problems with it.