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Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by inimino on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:08PM (#23273586)
It looks like my time with MacOS is rapidly coming to an end. Any Linux distro recommendations these days?
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by markosaric on Friday May 22, 2020 @02:06PM (#23275088)
I switched almost 2 years ago after 15 years on Macs.

Fedora 32 Workstation is pretty good if you want to see the best of what Linux can offer. It may not be the lightest and fastest distribution but it is easy to install and everything works. You'll get to experience Gnome which is the most original Linux desktop environment and the best one in terms of user experience in my opinion.

If you want something more traditional with the start menu or dock or desktop icons, perhaps something like KDE Neon is better place to start. It might feel more familiar. Will be lighter/faster too.

Put each of them on a USB and run them live on your machine for few minutes each and see which one makes more sense to you.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by jcadam on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:21PM (#23273740)
I switched from MacOS to Linux years ago. For a developer workstation these days I'd probably either go with Ubuntu LTS or Fedora (my personal choice). Either runs fine on my XPS 13.

Note: I really wanted to like WSL, but it just didn't work for me.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by _fullpint on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:55PM (#23274200)
Have you looked into WSL2?

I just recently switched from Mac OS to windows and it really hasn’t been a bad experience.

I would go full Linux but the drivers for the GPU on my laptop seem to be a bit of a mess currently.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by jcadam on Friday May 22, 2020 @01:01PM (#23274285)
GPU switching (NVIDIA Optimus and the like) seems to be a major headache to get working on Linux. My current laptop (XPS 13) only has an integrated GPU, so I ssh into a desktop for running CUDA stuff.

But no, haven't tried WSL2, I'm comfortable with my Linux setup so not to keen on messing with it at the moment :)

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by j45 on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:17PM (#23273693)
Ubuntu 20 has been a pleasant surprise, it seems to have turned a productivity and speed corner.. I've been getting lost in it for hours on end and forgetting to use my MacBook.

The feeling reminds me of the first Macbooks I used when switching away from Windows Vista.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by mindfulhack on Friday May 22, 2020 @07:29PM (#23278292)
That feels amazing to finally hear some good Ubuntu news. We need it. The only sleeker options for privacy (Windows and macOS) are horrendous. Thanks for sharing, might try out Ubuntu 20 then, might be as sleek at Linux Mint?
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by j45 on Saturday May 23, 2020 @04:51PM (#23286317)
It’s funny you mention Linux Mint, it was the only other distraction I could get lost in for hours. I’d still be fine with Mintfor personal browsing. At the time, I was running mint in a vm on MacOS to try it out and Cinnamon was much more performant than Ubuntu 18. Ubuntu 19/20 however seems to have narrowed or closed that gap.

So far Ubuntu has been great as a default dev/staging workstation. It’s nice not to have to fight with homebrew or docker permissions or other issues on the Mac and spin up most anything.. and it just works.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by gnalck on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:49PM (#23274115)
Fedora "just works" and has the some of the more sane defaults. Only tweaks one typically needs to do is add the RPM Fusion repos and, at some point, disable/tune-down SELinux when it is a bit too paranoid.
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by swebs on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:15PM (#23273679)
Give Pop OS a look. It's based on Ubuntu with some additional UI polish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGcvHMNaDd0

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by dhruvkar on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:15PM (#23273675)
Pop_OS!

By far the best linux I've tried when trying to get feature parity with macOS.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by m463 on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:28PM (#23273837)
After you've gotten used to Linux, you might want to try Arch.

It is lightweight, since you choose everything that is installed, sort of opt-in.

It has all the latest software.

It has "rolling releases" which means there is never a giant lost-weekend distribution upgrade.

It has the AUR (arch user repository) for just about any software ever.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by zozbot234 on Friday May 22, 2020 @01:13PM (#23274457)
I've never lost a weekend to a Debian dist-upgrade. Just read the release notes carefully beforehand, take a full backup of your data (which you should be doing anyway), make a note of any non-Debian applications you're using on that machine (that's the stuff that will need the most extensive testing post-upgrade) and it should simply work.
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by m463 on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:42AM (#23280252)
I have. debian, raspbian, ubuntu. A few times it has gone well, only to find there was cruft left over from previous installs.

"it should simply work" is not a given on any linux.

I'm not denigrating those distributions, there are lots of reasons to have a stable release without a lot of things changing (especially development).

It's just that changing lots of assumptions at once is fragile.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by inimino on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:31PM (#23273874)
I used Arch on a server once (still running) but found the experience on Debian was more to my taste, and somehow never liked pacman. Maybe it's time to take another look. I never tried it on the desktop.
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by sergeykish on Friday May 22, 2020 @03:15PM (#23275810)
Interesting, I have opposite experience. Pacman looks so much simpler than aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache, dpkg. And makepkg - it just works. I have not managed to create packages on Ubuntu.

No outdated packages, no ppa. No upgrade. Install is rough but it nails how simple the system is.

Ubuntu is a good starting point. But there is so much more.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by m463 on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:50AM (#23280286)
I agree about makepkg / PKGBUILD -- I've casually made packages.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PKGBUILD

For debian/ubuntu it is not as straightforward.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by speedgoose on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:17PM (#23273689)
Windows 10 with WSL if you have a laptop.

Debian or similar or ArchLinux if you have a desktop.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by inimino on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:24PM (#23273783)
For reasons of personal prejudice, I'll never install any Windows version on any hardware I own. Debian was always my first choice back in the desktop linux days, and still is for servers, but I haven't looked at the landscape recently. It seems to have become more consolidated, which is not surprising but still mildly disappointing.

Edit: and WSL is not Linux

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:30PM (#23273860)
> WSL is not Linux

It is Linux as of WSL2, it's just also Windows, so you lose many of the advantages that would make a person recommend Linux in this thread.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by inimino on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:36PM (#23273936)
TIL. But yes, for me, not having Windows installed is the primary advantage of any non-Windows OS.
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by lgl on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:34PM (#23273912)
Also my first choice for servers and have used it several times on desktop so Debian would also be my recommendation even for a desktop these days.

Plus, if you're already familiar with how Debian works it should be a no brainer. None of that Ubuntu or other Debian-derived distros with extra sugar and bloat and that many times differ from actual Debian in just the right way to keep you scratching your head.

Even Debian "stable" is pretty good for desktop these days which in the past was always notorious for having super outdated packages but has greatly improved in that regard. Obviously, "sid" is still also a good pick for a desktop if you really need to always run the latest of mostly everything.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by inimino on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:48PM (#23274105)
Debian still feels like home. Unless I try a BSD or something without systemd I think this is probably where I'll end up.
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by lgl on Friday May 22, 2020 @01:11PM (#23274428)
Well, Debian does use systemd by default now unless you want to go through some hoops to remove it (which I believe is still possible but not sure).

I personally have really no issues with systemd and now even go as far as completely removing the ifupdown, isc-dhcp-client, resolvconf and ntpd packages in favor of having my entire network stack configured by systemd-networkd, systemd-resolved and systemd-timesyncd instead.

It's pretty much a standard now across the board and I can't really find any arguments against it besides old habits so I've embraced it. Although it's obviously a bit opinionated, there is a good deal of functionality and flexibility on that thing.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by inimino on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:49AM (#23280281)
> there is a good deal of functionality and flexibility on that thing.

That's also what seems worst about it. Unfortunately there seem to be few other choices these days.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by speedgoose on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:28PM (#23273836)
I understand but for laptops it's pretty bad these days if you want all features your laptop is providing, and a good energy management.

On mobile it's much better with Android, but Android isn't adapted to laptops. I haven't tried ChromeOS but it's pretty restricted from what I understood. WSL2 on Windows is Linux and it works great for me but I understand if you don't want windows in your life.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:27PM (#23273834)
Depends on the laptop. I've had good experiences with thinkpads and business class Dells on Linux (and BSDs, for that matter).
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by speedgoose on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:56PM (#23274222)
Probably. My ThinkPad has so many issues and unsupported features according to the ArchLinux wiki that I don't even want to try.
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by inimino on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:49PM (#23274113)
Same.
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by 3combinatorHN on Friday May 22, 2020 @02:19PM (#23275221)
>paying for windows to install linux
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by tsukurimashou on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:57PM (#23274228)
I would recommend: Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Elementary OS, Pop_OS!

if you want: nice experience out of the box

I would recommend: Arch, Gentoo, Debian Net inst, Void

if you want a base system and install things you want on top of it

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by wetpaws on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:39PM (#23273975)
Mint been my daily driver for a year, does a fine job so far
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by sergiotapia on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:22PM (#23273750)
https://www.linuxmint.com/

It's ubuntu without the bullshit monitization.

Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by nightowl_games on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:32PM (#23277299)
And with a better default DE
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by valeg on Friday May 22, 2020 @01:27PM (#23274633)
Kids love Manjaro these days.
Re:MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? by andarleen on Friday May 22, 2020 @12:25PM (#23273790)
If in doubt just switch to ubuntu (there are better alternatives, but its a good starting point). I’m done with macos (tho i really loved it).